Mastodawn

Dan Wing 9h ago

I didn't realize the facebook execs Mozilla acqui-hired last year have been promoted! I was assuming they were still just heading the ads division of Mozilla, but oh boy, I fucking wish.

Now the former Senior VP of Marketing of facebook (2008-2022, the finest years of facebook) is the CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER of the entire Mozilla.

And the former VP of Ads in Facebook (2012-2022), is now the Senior VP of Product of Mozilla.

Let me repeat this:

The guy who used to lead the facebook team that was literally "advertising to teenagers based on their emotional state" is now the guy who decides the direction of Firefox as a product. But hey, let's keep giving Mozilla the benefit of the doubt uh? I'm sure these people-who-should-be-on-trial-in-the-hague are going to do great things for the community!

Mozilla Leadership

Mozilla

A cool crab wearing shades 13h ago

@javi 😩

Violet Madder 12h ago

I mean, have people not noticed that Mozilla has been out to destroy everything useful or nice about Firefox for years already?

Artemysia 12h ago

@violetmadder @javi I guess, but we keep making excuses for them. Crikey this is frustrating. Like I get we can't be moral purists and function under capitalism, but these people are absolutely amoral.

Violet Madder 12h ago

They're depraved predators out to ensure that there is NO privacy, freedom, or openness left anywhere.

Nothing functions under capitalism-- or at least not for much longer, anyway.

@violetmadder @artemis @javi Let's build guillotines, already!

Fluffy Kitty Cat 2h ago

@Quasit @violetmadder @artemis @javi what's taking us so long?

This is it. Most of us, to a certain degree, have excused their shit as "it's bad but it's what they need to do to survive, it's a lesser evil" some time or another. But holy shit, they have put Satan at the wheel, so I don't know how anyone can keep pretending they are not just as bad as everyone else

Don Marti 7h ago

@javi @artemis fwiw, it's worse than it appears -- Mozilla is still working with Meta and Google on putting ad tracking into the browser.

(say what you want about the lysine price fixing conspiracy, at least they booked their own meeting rooms and didn't piggyback off of W3C the way that the attribution cartel is doing https://blog.zgp.org/terminator-ending-for-privacy-sandbox/ )

a Terminator ending for Google “Privacy Sandbox”?

Coach Pāṇini ®12h ago

WTAF

Kevin Russell 11h ago

Time to fork Mozilla Firefox, not just edit it.

@kevinrns @javi Been saying that for a while, and sea lions pop back in barking that all forks fail when politics and user demands collide. (Apparently they never heard of LibreOffice, Tenacity, etc. Projects born of behind the scenes f*ckery, people having enough, forking it, and still going.)

Been on Waterfox the last year, hoping Servo is making good progress. If they go public next year, Firefox can go back to Brendan Eich for all I care and become Brave Lite.

Matt Jordan 11h ago

@javi Firefox has become the John Fetterman of browsers.

René Dario 8h ago

@muhkayoh @javi wow 🔥

deutrino 8h ago

@muhkayoh @javi bahaha this is sad but I cackled irl

Amy Maybe 7h ago

@muhkayoh @javi lol nice

firstprimate 7h ago

@muhkayoh @javi

This just gave me the kick in the pants to get off Firefox. ☄️

BenCgva 43m ago

@firstprimate @muhkayoh @javi to what? Can you recommend a browser(s)?

tripleman, a 🇨🇦 in 🇩🇪7h ago

@muhkayoh deep cut.

@muhkayoh @javi As a PA resident, I hate this so much.

Andrew Furrow 3h ago

@muhkayoh @javi Fetterman only supports extensions of military aid to Israel

@javi oh that is gross.

Why can't companies be normal!

@jackryder @javi

Probably one of the many reasons Mozilla has lost its way, HARD!

@librewolf is my choice these days!

@justin @javi @librewolf

Libre and Vivaldi

harbeider 7h ago

@jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf
Can you, with Libre or Vivaldi, synchronize between the browsers on all your machines? And send tabs?

@harbeider @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf you can with Waterfox

harbeider 6h ago

@shvere @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf Thanks, will try it!

@harbeider
Not sure tbh, its not a feature I have ever used on any browser.
@jackryder @javi @librewolf

harbeider 5h ago

@justin @jackryder @javi @librewolf It's fantastic! :)

chris actual 6h ago

@harbeider @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf You can sync across machines with Vivaldi

harbeider 6h ago

@lackattack @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf Ah, I'll will try that.

@harbeider @lackattack @justin @javi @librewolf

Oh yeah, Libre and a few others have those functions, or you can get an add-on but buyer beware.

Depending on your needs... you could like... dump them into a repo and sync against it, I suppose?

chris actual 6h ago

@jackryder @harbeider @justin @javi @librewolf It's kind of nifty. Log in with your vivaldi account, then enter your separate encryption password to sync your data. I should use it more lol

harbeider 5h ago

@lackattack @jackryder @justin @javi @librewolf Okay, great! I have work to do, I guess. :)

harbeider 5h ago

@jackryder @lackattack @justin @javi @librewolf
Well, you have to login on your Mozilla account. Then you can synchronize passwords, history, et cetera. And extremely usefull is sending open tabs. For example from a smartphone to your desktop. ->

Jimmothy Baggins 11h ago

@javi The biggest issue for me is the lack of browser engines. Forking from Mozilla isn’t enough. An alternative from both chromium and gecko is needed.

There needs to be a new option that won’t come with the baggage or existing slop.

It’s the quicker option but it’s not the best option..

Until that happens every browser will be an offshoot of it and not that much better

🇨🇦 CowMan 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 🇲🇽7h ago

@64bithero @javi such a huge task from scratch.

I'd love to see 'Presto' open sourced and returned to the wild:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(browser_engine)

@Vivaldi , either chance this has secretly been in modernization behind the scenes all these years?!

Presto (browser engine) - Wikipedia

Dane 🌎🖖✌️☮️⚛️☸️🕉️6h ago

@64bithero @javi

There's the Ladybird web browser project, which is a new engine built from the ground up.

https://ladybird.org

Ladybird

Ladybird is a truly independent web browser, backed by a non-profit.

MrGrumpyMonkey 6h ago

@TheLastOfHisName @64bithero @javi Let's include Orion.
https://orionbrowser.com/

Orion Browser by Kagi

Orion — a web browser designed from the ground-up. Native WebKit speed, full extension compatibility, and absolute privacy is finally together in one browser that respects you.

Orion Browser

Jimmothy Baggins 6h ago

@mrgrumpymonkey @TheLastOfHisName @javi I love Kagi and their browser. It’s a still a work in progress (Mac only) and not open source but they are good people ..

MrGrumpyMonkey 6h ago

@64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi Are there other browser out there that don't rely on Chromium or Firefox forks? I feel like we need a list of everything that's in the works.

InsiderTreat 6h ago

@mrgrumpymonkey @64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi I'm a big fan of @Vivaldi !!

Jimmothy Baggins 6h ago

@InsiderTreat @mrgrumpymonkey @TheLastOfHisName @javi @Vivaldi Still Chromium based :( but always good to have options

InsiderTreat 6h ago

@64bithero @mrgrumpymonkey @TheLastOfHisName @javi @Vivaldi oh I didn't realize. TIL.

MrGrumpyMonkey 6h ago

@InsiderTreat @64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi @Vivaldi Most known browsers are forks of either Chromium or Firefox. Of the Chromium browsers, Vivaldi is what I'd have most people use. It was my most used Chromium fork and is very stable. As long as it functions for your purpose, keep using it.

Dan 🌈58m ago

@mrgrumpymonkey
The last remaining hope is https://servo.org/ , a fully independent and open source browser engine. Unfortunately, because of those same two points, it's underfunded and development is very slow. :(
@InsiderTreat @64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi @Vivaldi

Servo aims to empower developers with a lightweight, high-performance alternative for embedding web technologies in applications.

Servo is a web rendering engine written in Rust, with WebGL and WebGPU support, and adaptable to desktop, mobile, and embedded applications.

Servo

MrGrumpyMonkey 26m ago

@phrawzty @InsiderTreat @64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi @Vivaldi Turns out they have a mastodon page.
@servo I have since followed. Perhaps one day I can toss em a few extra bucks.

MrGrumpyMonkey 6h ago

@InsiderTreat @64bithero @TheLastOfHisName @javi @Vivaldi I recently shifted from Vivaldi to Helium. I guess I'll add this to this thread. It's only for Linux & the Appimage seems to break the MX Package installer while it's running. I hope for a .deb package eventually. There's already an AUR for Arch. It's my main Chromium browser on CachyOS.
https://helium.computer/

Helium Browser

The web browser made for people, with love. Best privacy by default, unbiased ad-blocking, no bloat and no noise. Fully open source.

Jimmothy Baggins 6h ago

@TheLastOfHisName @javi I hear concerns about the creators political leanings but I am still keeping an eye on it

Rasmus Lindegaard 10h ago

@javi @joeress wanna give this voice in your next podcast?

I mean, it's probably the last thing any of us wants to hear, but if it's the truth, its the fucking truth 😮‍💨

moooping 9h ago

@javi so what’s a preferred browser choice these days? Thanks for sharing btw.

@moooping
I like Waterfox, which is a version of Firefox but with A.I. and some other crap removed. I love that I can still use the Firefox extensions I'm used to but I won't see whatever marketing/advertising bullshit Mozilla tries to force on us.

Sharp Cheddar Goblin 7h ago

@moooping Waterfox, Vivaldi, Zen all seem like reasonable alternatives. I'm hoping something decent comes out of the work on Servo too.

@moooping @javi I use a combo of Waterfox and LibreWolf, as these two discard the bloated crap that Firefox glues on + they have better security defaults.

Canageek 8h ago

@javi That explains so much

Carl Malamud 8h ago

@javi wow. They have 37 vice presidents.

Holy crap.
That reminds me of a #BillHerd quote from this the 8-Bit-Guy video about how middle management were multiplying like rats once #JackTramiel left the company. :/

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦8h ago

@javi I said it before and I'll say it again:

Mozilla is a "temporarily embarrassed Big Tech corporation".

@javi hey @Vivaldi - can you folks get up to feature parity with regards to plugins and scrolling horizontal tabs so we can finally jump ship to you?