Leander Lindahl đȘđșSwitch to a European search engine
#qwant #ecosia #startpage
Advice #006
Digital Sovereignty Council
Rick d Card@leanderlindahl I am Canadian and I use Startpage
@Rick_d_card indeed đšđŠ đȘ đ. Maybe it was the default in your browser? What browser do you use? I had Brave preinstalled with startpage on my ZorinOS.
Disclaimer: I don't use Brave. I use Vivaldi, Waterfox and Mullvad.
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https://mojeek.com
https://mojeek.com
@forgetpassword yes I know about Mojeek đŹđ§ (its existence), but I should read up on it more. It's interesting.
And a bunch of browsers have used startpage as the default when I install them, I'm curious why.
I'd want to know about the Mojeek "story". What makes it unique, what are it's strengths. What is the "business plan"/income stream to finance the operations. And they clearly need a stronger visual identity including the logo/icon. Maybe it'll be my next employer? I can do their visual design and coms đ đ #fedihire
There are many nice things about it when giving it a quick look. Also, why do you hear so little about it? How many are they? I need to read up on this.
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Other (better?) ones:
Le Chat (Pro) because that's how you "google" nowadays: https://chat.mistral.ai/
Probably the best experience and transparent business model, but expensive: https://metager.org/
A real (not meta) search engine: https://www.mojeek.com/
Self hosted meta engine: https://docs.searxng.org/
@leanderlindahl
I use Le Chat Pro from Mistral and Startpage and Mojeek. Ecosia is an awful and bloated experience.
I use Le Chat Pro from Mistral and Startpage and Mojeek. Ecosia is an awful and bloated experience.
@sigismundninja yes, I use le chat too, but I don't do searches for facts with LLM:s. And for many simpler searches like "recipe lasagne", "opening hours library of Lund" or "European alternatives web site" it doesn't make sense to me.
I use LLMs for coding and prototyping mostly. For "chat" I strongly recommend Le Chat, just like you.
@sigismundninja
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@leanderlindahl
Same here. I still use the good old search engine for food.
For technical stuff I usually first try a chat bot though. Unless I know that the information probably is in some reference manual or official guide. (A chat bot can still be better for that. Especially if I have added the manuals explicitly via RAG.)
Most search results are AI generated crap, so I tend to just generate it "myself". Then it usually turns out pretty good.
@sigismundninja
Yes, you have to find what works for you. I agree that LLMs are useful as a kind of StackOverflow reference (replacement). I like to use @Qwant and @ecosia to support them creating an independent European search index, which they're working on right now.
The more users, the more resources, the sooner they get there.
@sigismundninja
I really like #Apertus too, but its not "cutting edge" and you need to use it via LM Studio so far. But it's European and open for everyone to use.
I wanted to create a LibreOffice plugin for Apertus. That would be a dream and offer an alternative for simple office usage instead of CoPilot and OpenAI. Maybe a plugin for LeChat too? But I haven't gotten around to that... đ
Svenssons Nyheter@sigismundninja @leanderlindahl Qwant Àr ingen metasökmotor dÄ de har ett eget index vilket fungerar bra. Ecosia och Qwant utarbetar ett europeiskt index sÄ Àven Ecosia kommer att upphöra som Metasökmotor (de anvÀnder resultat frÄn Bing). Le Chat Pro Àr AI och sökresultaten frÄn Mojeek Àr vÀrdelösa enligt den erfarenhet jag har.
@sigismundninja @leanderlindahl Ă
terigen. Varför skriver tvĂ„ svensksprĂ„kiga till varandra pĂ„ engelska? Det Ă€r för mig obegripligt. Ăr ni för att anvĂ€nda europeiska programvaror sĂ„ Ă€r det ju rimligt att ni ocksĂ„ i huvudsak anvĂ€nder svenska. Annars Ă€r ni faktiskt inte trovĂ€rdiga och inte seriösa.
@Anders_S @sigismundninja svÄrt att svara kort och koncist. Men jag svarar pÄ det sprÄk som anvÀnds i trÄden. Och trÄden startades pÄ engelska. Jag förmodar att Sigismund gjorde/gör likadant.
Det Àr ocksÄ för att inkludera andra Àven om det finns en praktisk översÀttningsfunktion pÄ vissa servrar.
Slutligen Àr det av vana (ovana) eftersom all "chat" pÄ jobbet alltid Àr 100% pÄ engelska, sÄ det gÄr i bara farten..
@Anders_S @sigismundninja jag reflekterade inte över att vi var tvÄ svenskar och trÄden, som Àr pÄ engelska, riktar sig inte till svenskar specifikt. Mitt förslag Àr att du mute:ar (tystar) mitt konto om det ger upphov till sÄdan irritation för dig. Jag ser inget orimligt hÀr
Mina barn Àr irriterande över att jag rÀttar dem och insisterar pÄ att vi anvÀnder svenska ord nÀr vi talar med varandra. De anser att jag "hatar engelska". De skulle ha mycket roligt Ät att jag fÄr en slÀng av samma slev
FOSS North conference đžđȘ@leanderlindahl Are they European? Donât they just use American data (e.g. Bing)?
@foss_north
https://blog.ecosia.org/launching-our-european-search-index/
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Search_Perspective
More users -> more resources -> European index sooner
