NightKaii 🔞Mar 20
vozer 

fuck off.

imagine if windows required you to wait 24hrs before you could install programs outside of the MS store.

your phone is a computer, and this is an anti-competitive move that has the intentional side effect of incentivizing consumers to install apps from google instead of other markets.

“you can’t do this!”

“but i’ve always been able to do this!”

waits a year

“fine, but now you have to wait 24 hours because because because i said so!”

“oh! well in that case, i guess it’s not so bad!”

everyone that is happy about this is an easily manipulated buttbrain

Mar 20 at 10:29amWeb
Show threadluna the doggie  Mar 20
@vozercozer oh baseline android is reaching "Xiaomi bootloader unlock" levels of bullshit for just installing apps great

I guess this is the "phishing-resistant measures" they were talking about.

fuck google.
Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@lunareclipse notably, 2017 xiaomi bootloader unlock. 2026 xiaomi bootloader unlock is a waiting line for digital keys, where there are only 200 keys per day reset at 12am chinese local time, and in that way its more comparable to

uhh

trying to buy a new iPhone on the launch day?

my guess is it won't be long until Google will start giving these signatures out only to those who themselves verified their google accounts with an ID, or something like that. hopefully we'll have a way to bypass this altogether by then - i'll have to do some experiments once this rolls out, maybe i'll find something

@vozercozer

Show threadluna the doggie  Mar 20
@gravitos @vozercozer oh did they make it even worse?

Last time I remember I could use my existing Xiaomi account that got the bootloader unlock perms (which were exactly as hard to get as what you describe) but I had to have the sim card with its phone number in the phone, log into the phone, enable OEM unlock and wait 3 days. I was able to use the SIM in another phone if I only removes it when the Xiaomi was turned off though.

Granted that was a humongous level of bullshit and I decided I'm not buying a Xiaomi again after that.
Show thread   Mar 20
@vozercozer Android more rigorously enforces a waiting period for sideloading than the US does for firearms
Show threadΓιανίρηςMar 20

> Fuck off.

best wishes to you too darling ...

but brainless fashion monkeys purchase a gadget at the cost of 3-8x intel-i7 refurbished PCs and accept they neither OWN or CONTROL the device or their data, they are prohibited root-access and to alter the OS running on the trap-hardware... but they will complain to the address the OS points for software repositories ...

How do you alter the package management, the way software is installed and configured, let alone compiled and built from source, ..

Answer: You don't, but this is not bothering anyone paying to have someone's spy system in their pocket and around their friends and comrades the repository address does.

I am sorry ... being a clueless tool in the hands of US industries Sw&Hw and running a campaign for silly crap, doesn't deserve a second of attention.

Have you (plural) read a single word #Snowden published in the past 20years ? If so it is your fashion chasing submission to US industries and agencies that is at fault not what MS or Google or Facebook or Apple do. They do what is best for their stock holders and it is diametrically against us all. Your obedience and submission is our enemy, not their corporate strategy.

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION

#linux #bsd #nosystemd #systemd-is-part-of-the-problem

#antifa #FuckGoogle

PS Next time you point those cameras at me I will show you exactly what to do with that NSA device pointed.

@yassie_j @vozercozer @gettie

Show thread   Mar 20

@iriyan @vozercozer @gettie mate what are you talking about

How is any of this relevant to my comment

Show threadΓιανίρηςMar 20

CLEARLY I am responding to OP starting the message with

> Fuck Off

and which I quote !

Clueless responders will be ignored from now on!

@yassie_j

Show thread   Mar 20
@iriyan okay… Then why are you replying to MY comment instead of the original post????
Show threadΓιανίρηςMar 20

because it is public and anyone can and doesn't have to have to explain a reason for doing so

@yassie_j

Show threadMx Rey (Fuck ICE) 💜 🏳️‍⚧️Mar 20
@iriyan @yassie_j @vozercozer @gettie meds check!
Show threadrainMar 20
@iriyan untagging everyone else. how the FUCK is systemd related to this
Show threadΓιανίρηςMar 20

same mindset, don't think, let automated software decide how to run your system and have a patriarchal decision process protect you for what industry perceives as a threat (which are threats to the industry, and you may be one as well).

MS, Google, IBM, ... are pushing the same model, whether proprietary of #FOSS it is the same approach.

@slonk

AND KEEP "FUCK" for when you speak to your significant people around you who tolerate you

Show threadReid Mar 20
@vozercozer What problems? That whole shitfest exists for one reason and one reason only: to scare people into not installing apps not blessed by His Highness Mr. Google. Any other reason is just a load of corporate propaganda bullshit
Show threadTofu ​Mar 20
@vozercozer there was already a 24H wait time if you had the bad idea of using enhanced google account protection, if you have it on, sideloading is blocked, and turning it off takes about that long for changes to propagate
Show threadKemotep 🔰Mar 20

@vozercozer actually wait a second, the hand scanners at work are Android devices and we install a custom apk to connect the bar code scanner to the ERP.

So we’re going to need to pay google for developer accounts and verify our organization and I guess also pay for a code signing certificate to install our work software on a locked down MDM controlled android device? Or have to wait a day?

I just realized this is going to fuck things up at work.

Show threadΓιανίρηςMar 20

Sone freaky government's idea of spreading tax-base money back to their child-molester circle of friends had public agencies and buildings, during corona-scare-period , purchasing android devices and using them as carrying an application that scanned (audio/video) those entering offices for temperature to alert others of someone possibly infected. One device per entrance to telemetry/recording of fever ..

Since then, except for those failing, are still up and running, scanning and feeding the #BORG with data ...

#epstein #childmolesters #rapists #greece and other #EU fascist governments

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show threadRTG-powered VelMar 20

@kemotep iiuc, ADB will almost certainly bypass this, and MDM will likely do as well. i don't think Google would want to fuck with industrial users

@vozercozer

Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@risc well if ADB bypasses that, then we're already in the clear, just use app manager from f-droid to adb-over-wifi into your own device and pretend this never happened  

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show threadRTG-powered VelMar 20

@gravitos even if ADB will bypass it, it will greatly reduce many developers’ motivation to develop apps. look at iOS. i can install arbitrary applications through the developer stuff, it’s just more annoying. and, unsurprisingly, there is so much less FOSS software for iOS than for Android

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@risc good point, we should popularize mobile linux. and by that i dont mean sailfishOS, fuck that closed source piece of garbage. i mean postmarketOS, droidian, hell even ubuntu touch, Phones Made By People For People.

corporations should be bullied out of existing

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show threadRTG-powered VelMar 20

@gravitos first "we" should make mobile linux a useful platform. i have given up on my wishes of running freedesktop linux on my phone due to not wanting to suffer with it

i really wanted to not use Android. but mobile linux is not there yet.

could i have tried anyway and suffered through it? yes. but do i want to do that? no, i want my phone to be a tool i can use, not a liability to suffer with. so now i'm on iOS

Sailfish has achieved quite a bit. while i would not use it, i wouldn't call it a piece of garbage. i seriously applaud the efforts of the postmarketOS community, and have used postmarketOS on my laptop, but it's not yet there

i'm not commenting on Droidian and Ubuntu Touch since i have not used either in any form. however, they at least have better hardware support. software is still an issue.

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@risc i am currently dual booting PMOS and Android on my miatoll, and - other than not having any calls implementation and a slightly broken ModemManager - its pretty solid.

granted, the fact that most of our local apps have been bullied off of appstore and have to exist as websites makes it way more tolerable, since functionally that makes my options for services usable on pmOS effectively the same as on iOS, and that means i will not be locked out of my bank account for not having android installed on my android phone. but that is merely a coincidence caused by political actions that i otherwise utterly hate

also, stability is still kind of an issue. i've installed some apps on phosh the other day and got locked out of it. phrog gave me a login error and refused to elaborate, logging in from tty worked but there was no settings app - whatever it was, the easiest way to handle that was to just reflash the memory card with a freshly built image. this absolutely does need more polish

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show threaderi Mar 20
@gravitos @kemotep @risc @vozercozer yeah where i live you are forced to pay more for a bus ticket if you do not use the smartphone app. there are no transit cards and there is no cashless option other than the app. it's ridiculous
Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@eri we have this bullshit too, but not to this extent. i mean here the price you pay for using the bank app and for using the physical plastic card is the same. wow. this world is fucked

@kemotep @risc @vozercozer

Show threadRTG-powered VelMar 20

@gravitos i have a feeling that your post explains my feelings towards mobile linux quite well on its own

it needs more polish, and i will be cheering on every improvement, but even i, a technical power user by all means, would not use something like this as my main OS. heck, i find the broken Face ID on my phone really inconvenient - let alone something like not having calls.

at this moment, it's just not for everyone.

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show threaderi Mar 20
@gravitos @kemotep @risc @vozercozer idk maybe if i could buy a phone that runs linux and actually makes phone calls on modern cell networks i would be happy to switch over
Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@eri iirc one of the 3rd gen google pixels has working calls on postmarketos

@kemotep @risc @vozercozer

Show threaderi Mar 20
@gravitos @kemotep @risc @vozercozer "you can buy a single old phone that isn't being made anymore that is known to have hardware issues" i would rather live in a cave and eat rocks
Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@eri good point

Nexdock, a company that makes lapdocks for compatible phones - which are essentially a laptop-shaped shell with a built in power bank, keyboard, trackpad and a display that you are meant to use with your phone or any kind of other device capable of outputting video signals - has revealed that they're working on a Nexphone, based on an LTS variant of Snapdragon 778G, that out of the box triple-boots Android 16, Debian and Windows 11. of course you can remove what you don't like, and this is still a non released device that costs slightly more than a similar performance laptop, bu-u-ut AFAIK its the only phone with 5G support that is meant for linux

@kemotep @risc @vozercozer

Tech Specs | NexPhone

Show threadJames EndicottMar 20
@vozercozer

Shouldn't the EU be preventing this obviously anticompetitive market abuse?
Show thread gravitos Mar 20

@vozercozer "cannot be bypassed on-device"

yeah give it until the middle of september

Show threadLucasTheGuy 🚨MINOR!!🚨Mar 20

can you link the article to me?

i wanna read this shit

Show threadOffbeatmammalMar 20
@vozercozer well, all I know about Stephen Schenck is that he appears to be a well programmed lickspittle with no credibility or critical thinking skills.
Show threadoccurrentMar 20

@vozercozer

Getting realllll fuckin tired of coercive, controlling behavior seeping into every area of tech and consumer and daily life. It's not merely a bad business practice, it is simply BAD! No one should be treated this way in any context actually!!

"Ceos don't understand consent" proven more true every day with ever worsening implications.


#I've-dumped-people-over-this-shit-ive-dumped-doctors-and-and-i-will-absolutely-dump-tech. #it's-fucking-gross #i-barely-have-a-phone-rn-for-this-reason #every-new-instance-of-this-shit-makes-me-more-analog-and-more-bitter-and-pushes-me-deeper-into-my-cave-of-suspicion-and-rageee-which-is-what-they-want-so-i-come-back-out-but-i-am-PISSED-when-i-do!
Show threadLiquidParasyteMar 20

#Unsurprised-that-it's-Android-Authority-carrying-water-for-nonsense #probably-the-most-glazing-of-the-Android-outlets #even-back-in-the-day #shame-that-they-have-the-most-up-to-date-breakdowns-of-Android-updates #because-otherwise-I'd-block-their-ass
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 22
@liquidparasyte @vozercozer 'android authority' really lives up to their name,
Show threadprincess pancake ​Mar 20
@vozercozer "imagine if windows required you to wait 24hrs before you could install programs outside of the MS store."

don't give them ideas
Show threadNicky DonnaMar 20
@vozercozer I think we suffer from collective Stockholm syndrome with tech companies. They spy, manipulate, lobby, cheat, bribe and we just keep giving them more.
I truly believe that whoever did this should be cursed with eternal stub your toe every 10 seconds curse
Show threadderptronMar 20

@vozercozer As an easily manipulated butt brain I find the assumption my kind are happy about this to be a little offensive.

I actually feel very called out here. I need a 24 hour timeout to be allowed to change my device settings? Really? I'm THAT bad?

It's like I'm back at home being told I'm too irresponsible to use "cooking implements" because I burned some popcorn, which seriously could have killed everyone--my bad.

Just more reason to hate my phone. Whatever, man. Don't blame us.

Show threadderptronMar 20
@vozercozer Seriously though, when the hackers just adapt by helping people through the waiting period they'll have users who are even more secure in the fact that nothing they're doing right now could be dangerous or bad because they waited for google's timeout and aren't being manipulated.
Show threadthriftwickerMar 20
@vozercozer Hey right on! One step closer to giving up on these fucking devices forever! Thanks, googull!
Show threadIAGMar 20

@vozercozer on the one hand, I at least sort of understand the restrictions in place, they probably would stop the vast majority of users from installing untrusted malware at the behest of some scammer

on the other hand, why would you need to sideload malware when it ends up on the Play Store anyways (pic related)? given that fact, clearly the restrictions aren't actually to stop scammers, but just to fuck with alternative app stores

Show threadOrca 🌻 | 🎀 | 🪁 | 🏴🏳️‍⚧️Mar 20
@vozercozer imagine if windows required you to wait 24hrs before you could install programs outside of the MS store.There are versions of Windows that outright disallow using programs not offered by MS Store, if I recall
Show thread[Yaseenist] CauseOfBSODMar 20

@vozercozer the rooting process for my phone involves repeatedly sideloading an app after resets which normally takes like 10 minutes, mainly going through initial setup.

now that same process would take multiple fucking days

Show thread[Yaseenist] CauseOfBSODMar 20
@vozercozer like this is bullshit are they gonna make you wait a week to toggle oem unlock as well
Show thread[Yaseenist] CauseOfBSODMar 20
@vozercozer oh and better yet it involves booting a rom over fastboot without flashing so thats totally not gonna suck
Show thread[Yaseenist] CauseOfBSODMar 20
@vozercozer so yeah one day for the initial unlock to get magisk to patch the rom, then a second day for the "live" boot where the phone cannot be allowed to lose power to prevent resetting progress, then iirc a third day now magisk is installed proper
Show threadsammypandaMar 21
@vozercozer some of these articles are so feverish
Show threadSkullGamer205  Mar 21
@vozercozer someone love it?
WHAT? daaamn. ​​
Show threadL1nk   ⁂Mar 21

@vozercozer

imagine if windows required you to wait 24hrs before you could install programs outside of the MS store.

shh... don't give them any ideas 

Show threadШуроMar 21

@vozercozer imagine if your car asks you to wait 24 hours before it can be driven on a new route which is not offered in navigation app.

It solves several problems at once!

Show threadENIGMATICO  Mar 22
@vozercozer I bet this is AI slop promoted by Google itself.