vozer 2d ago

fuck off.

imagine if windows required you to wait 24hrs before you could install programs outside of the MS store.

your phone is a computer, and this is an anti-competitive move that has the intentional side effect of incentivizing consumers to install apps from google instead of other markets.

“you can’t do this!”

“but i’ve always been able to do this!”

waits a year

“fine, but now you have to wait 24 hours because because because i said so!”

“oh! well in that case, i guess it’s not so bad!”

everyone that is happy about this is an easily manipulated buttbrain

Show threadKemotep 🔰2d ago

@vozercozer actually wait a second, the hand scanners at work are Android devices and we install a custom apk to connect the bar code scanner to the ERP.

So we’re going to need to pay google for developer accounts and verify our organization and I guess also pay for a code signing certificate to install our work software on a locked down MDM controlled android device? Or have to wait a day?

I just realized this is going to fuck things up at work.

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@kemotep iiuc, ADB will almost certainly bypass this, and MDM will likely do as well. i don't think Google would want to fuck with industrial users

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Show thread gravitos 2d ago

@risc well if ADB bypasses that, then we're already in the clear, just use app manager from f-droid to adb-over-wifi into your own device and pretend this never happened  

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@gravitos even if ADB will bypass it, it will greatly reduce many developers’ motivation to develop apps. look at iOS. i can install arbitrary applications through the developer stuff, it’s just more annoying. and, unsurprisingly, there is so much less FOSS software for iOS than for Android

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show thread gravitos 

@risc good point, we should popularize mobile linux. and by that i dont mean sailfishOS, fuck that closed source piece of garbage. i mean postmarketOS, droidian, hell even ubuntu touch, Phones Made By People For People.

corporations should be bullied out of existing

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@gravitos first "we" should make mobile linux a useful platform. i have given up on my wishes of running freedesktop linux on my phone due to not wanting to suffer with it

i really wanted to not use Android. but mobile linux is not there yet.

could i have tried anyway and suffered through it? yes. but do i want to do that? no, i want my phone to be a tool i can use, not a liability to suffer with. so now i'm on iOS

Sailfish has achieved quite a bit. while i would not use it, i wouldn't call it a piece of garbage. i seriously applaud the efforts of the postmarketOS community, and have used postmarketOS on my laptop, but it's not yet there

i'm not commenting on Droidian and Ubuntu Touch since i have not used either in any form. however, they at least have better hardware support. software is still an issue.

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Show thread gravitos 2d ago

@risc i am currently dual booting PMOS and Android on my miatoll, and - other than not having any calls implementation and a slightly broken ModemManager - its pretty solid.

granted, the fact that most of our local apps have been bullied off of appstore and have to exist as websites makes it way more tolerable, since functionally that makes my options for services usable on pmOS effectively the same as on iOS, and that means i will not be locked out of my bank account for not having android installed on my android phone. but that is merely a coincidence caused by political actions that i otherwise utterly hate

also, stability is still kind of an issue. i've installed some apps on phosh the other day and got locked out of it. phrog gave me a login error and refused to elaborate, logging in from tty worked but there was no settings app - whatever it was, the easiest way to handle that was to just reflash the memory card with a freshly built image. this absolutely does need more polish

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Show threaderi 2d ago
@gravitos @kemotep @risc @vozercozer yeah where i live you are forced to pay more for a bus ticket if you do not use the smartphone app. there are no transit cards and there is no cashless option other than the app. it's ridiculous
Show thread gravitos 2d ago

@eri we have this bullshit too, but not to this extent. i mean here the price you pay for using the bank app and for using the physical plastic card is the same. wow. this world is fucked

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@gravitos i have a feeling that your post explains my feelings towards mobile linux quite well on its own

it needs more polish, and i will be cheering on every improvement, but even i, a technical power user by all means, would not use something like this as my main OS. heck, i find the broken Face ID on my phone really inconvenient - let alone something like not having calls.

at this moment, it's just not for everyone.

@kemotep @vozercozer

Show threaderi 2d ago
@gravitos @kemotep @risc @vozercozer idk maybe if i could buy a phone that runs linux and actually makes phone calls on modern cell networks i would be happy to switch over
Show thread gravitos 2d ago

@eri iirc one of the 3rd gen google pixels has working calls on postmarketos

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Show threaderi 2d ago
@gravitos @kemotep @risc @vozercozer "you can buy a single old phone that isn't being made anymore that is known to have hardware issues" i would rather live in a cave and eat rocks
Show thread gravitos 2d ago

@eri good point

Nexdock, a company that makes lapdocks for compatible phones - which are essentially a laptop-shaped shell with a built in power bank, keyboard, trackpad and a display that you are meant to use with your phone or any kind of other device capable of outputting video signals - has revealed that they're working on a Nexphone, based on an LTS variant of Snapdragon 778G, that out of the box triple-boots Android 16, Debian and Windows 11. of course you can remove what you don't like, and this is still a non released device that costs slightly more than a similar performance laptop, bu-u-ut AFAIK its the only phone with 5G support that is meant for linux

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