Adrianna TanGerman tourist sued a New York taqueria for salsa that was too spicy. Judge says ‘the spice is often the point’
He should keep this up and keep suing people, he will become American in no time
I hope he never goes to Thailand
To be clear, the ‘a woman sued McDonald’s over hot coffee!’ Case was a legit case where she deserved all of that and more
Carolyn@skinnylatte She DID actually need hospitalization for 3rd degree burns, needed skin grafts.
"The attorneys...presented the jury with expert testimony that 190 °F (88 °C) coffee may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about three seconds and 180 °F (82 °C) coffee may produce such burns in about 12 to 15 seconds.[14] Lowering the temperature to 160 °F (71 °C) would increase the time for the coffee to produce such a burn to 20 seconds..." --wiki
So she had cause...
@skinnylatte Maybe he had gotten some inspiration for his lawsuit from this, thinking American courts just handed out money. But HER lawyers actually gathered evidence, visiting other places that served coffee, to measure temperatures, consulted with experts on burn. They worked to prove cause.
Matt Blaze@CStamp @skinnylatte Indeed. The 2011 documentary “Hot Coffee” is worthwhile, going in to depth about the case and how it was unjustly spun beyond recognition into a right-wing “tort reform” poster child.
Charles U. Farley@CStamp @skinnylatte The irony is that she was only asking for her medical costs to be covered. But McDonald's wouldn't even do that, so it went to trial and they lost way more.
jgjl 🇪🇺@CStamp @skinnylatte as someone coming from a different culture I do not understand this argument. Coffee is made with boiling, I.e., 100°C water. How can you sure someone because that’s what they did.. and it’s not even boiling temperature any more at this point?
@jgjl @skinnylatte Because it's hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns in seconds. Coffee in most places is not sold at boiling point because spilling is possibly dangerous. See above.
@CStamp @skinnylatte I get that. But you would still expect the coffee to potentially be at boiling temperature, hence my not understanding why everyone seems to agree that she was totally right.
@jgjl @skinnylatte In a paper cup? I'd expect it to be hot, but not too hot to hold or worry about spilling. I would be really surprised to be handed something at boiling temperature.
Heather 👻@CStamp @[email protected] @skinnylatte They weren't even paper cups back in those days, were they? They were insulating styrofoam cups that kept heat in but also kept you from feeling the heat from the outside.
And anyway you shouldn't be brewing your coffee at 100C, it's more around 85-95C.
@CStamp @skinnylatte It's funny how soon we forget how things were "back in the day" that was just ephemera like disposable cups from McDonalds.
Peter Brown@jgjl @CStamp @skinnylatte coffee shouldn’t be made with water at 100° C.
Most coffee machines will operate around 90° and by the time it’s in the cup for a few moments it’s probably down to 80°.
Most coffee machines will operate around 90° and by the time it’s in the cup for a few moments it’s probably down to 80°.
@peterbrown @CStamp @skinnylatte I make it at home with boiling water, works great. James Hoffman approved btw.
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Sindarina, Edge Case Detective@skinnylatte Yeah. I only learned this later, and before that it was just an example of how litigious the US is, but it was a deliberate choice on the part of McDonalds to serve the coffee that hot for some silly internal optimisation slash money saving reason, IIRC.
Rainer Zufall@skinnylatte Incredible
Ethan Marcotte@skinnylatte —well now I’m back in
Harsh Shandilya@skinnylatte truly a naturalized resident
@skinnylatte Oh, wow.
“Mr. Manz, an engineer and a part-time law student, filed all three suits without legal representation.”
A fool for a client. ;)
fritzoidsI'm wondering whether he was trying to get something exceptional on his CV for when he is done with his law studies.
ThomasFor such people my granny had a saying, "Send him off to the woods for two weeks", 'Send him off the wilderness for two weeks.'
Bridge&Tunnel Jeff@skinnylatte That guy made me briefly side with Walmart and the NYPD and I do not like it.
ifrauding@jf_718 @skinnylatte
Thats a feature of many Germans: they are the worse option when you have to choose between them and something else. 🥶
Thats a feature of many Germans: they are the worse option when you have to choose between them and something else. 🥶
Solitha@skinnylatte Please consider not using archive-dot links.
They were found to be using visitors to power DDOS attacks, as well as caught altering archived materials.
archive.org is the only legitimate one I know of, the Internet Archive.
Chris@skinnylatte I mean for a short trip to sample the culture he did:
✅️ see statue of liberty
✅️ eat some spicy tacos
✅️ file several frivolous lawsuits
gotta admire the guy's efficiency
NadiaPurge@skinnylatte one has to ask why he thought connecting to public wi-fi at a Wal-Mart was a good idea.
It's giving incel manosphere energy as well.
@skinnylatte well, if in the USA, do as the locals do. I think he is a great example of someone adjusting to the local culture when on vacation!
Joe Pallas@skinnylatte I was confused at first—why would his non-US phone not work with the Walmart WiFi? It turns out Walmart’s “free” WiFi required him to give them a phone number and wouldn’t take non-US numbers (crappy UI that doesn’t even let you enter a country code, I’d bet).
Lawsuit was definitely stupid, but Walmart is definitely going to abuse that data.
Alda Vigdís@skinnylatte A hotel room at Times Square? — I bet he complained about the noise.
kit@skinnylatte It does almost sound as if he was going for the Full American Experience.
pedestrian cyclist@hypostase @skinnylatte When in Rome...
This must have been a Bavarian, I would bet!
QK,
> "… idiosyncratic characteristic…"
that exactly describes maaany German tourists, mostly seen at tourist hotspots.
Insisting on having "Schnitzel und Pommes", "Weissbier", "Bratwurst", "Deutsches Frühstück", Deutsches Brot". Or wearing Birkenstock, even on official or religious events or sites. Or Reserving sun loungers with their own towel.
Even Chancelor Merz criticised the lack of German bread on an international conference. What a whimp!
And what whimps all of them.
Hobo@coastgnu @skinnylatte So you‘ve lost your bet. Mr. Manz lives next to Stuttgart, following to the News article.
For North Germans, especially for us Frisians, every place south of Osnabrück is a suburb of northern Palermo. So they are Bavarians for us, at least …
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Matthew Dockrey@hobo_ahoi @coastgnu @skinnylatte And there even is (was?) a Thai restaurant in Stuttgart that will serve spicy food! (I was working a bit south of there for a few months in 2013, and finding Thai that was actually spicy became a bit of a hobby. That was the only one I found.)
@skinnylatte So stupid. Something new, try a bit. If you like it, add more.
Claire, The Ultimate Worrier@skinnylatte so he just dumped a whole cup of salsa on his taco without testing his spice tolerance? amazing
Princess UnikittyI think the real tourism was the lawsuits he filed along the way.
Arratoon@unikitty @waitworry @skinnylatte He later sued his hotel because the water in the bath was “too wet”.
Granny Art (Shrimp) (Joni)@skinnylatte jfc. Did he hear about the woman who suffered burns from hot coffee at McDonalds and think he could win this?
I ate at Los Tacos and don't remember it being particularly spicy and I don't have a high spice threshold.
Filed under: people are fucking weird.
Oh, and the judge is right. Thank god.
Maikel 🇪🇺 🇪🇸@artcollisions her case was different though she had proper burns, it was a lot hotter than it should have been. That's why she won, she was right and not exaggerating.
Hence why now there's a thermometer inside the milk container. Fuck knows how many lives she's saved.
McDonalds made it seem like a joke, this looks nothing like a joke to anyone eyes (beware sensitive pictures on the link) 👇
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&hs=0fWp&sca_esv=8d848c16371de09d&sxsrf=ANbL-n7aD9phqZBv5OFlO_kNjqtEQftjJQ:1773585588839&udm=2&fbs=ADc_l-aN0CWEZBOHjofHoaMMDiKpaEWjvZ2Py1XXV8d8KvlI3vWUtYx0DZdicpfE1faGYenqWn-q4MFiFFtvJjTKeAVxk-FQN47x4DImKDEct9h8gs93XNFdidAQKO7ygQXx9NmfvTl0P-7Anl6ofbqQtTyQEA-Ya8vskvnOu_AxCLj-VKeUch_n2P0W_p5vz2zDZHrFLdd7o3xgXQQWzofBDTqh3CoY_w&q=mcdonalds+coffee+burn+lady&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnnoGYkaKTAxXB7LsIHQneGYEQtKgLegQIGxAB&biw=159&bih=324&dpr=2.61
@maikel Oh yeah, I'm aware. Sorry if I made it seem like it was a joke.
And you are right, McD's did downplay it a lot.
Sirana@maikel I admit I'm still not sure what to think about this case because of that "hotter than it should have been" part. I am not much of a coffee person but I've been drinking tea a lot, and when I order it in a restaurant or coffee shop I always expected it to be as hot as if I'd make it at home - which is boiling hot (or almost boiling hot, afaik many electric kettles go to 95°C, not the full 100°C.) Same as in hotels etc. Therefore I'd also not place it on my lap to begin with. I don't even know if there are legal regulations in Germany limiting the temperature for hot drinks or if every store/store chain decides this for themselves. (I suppose there are some by now, and ofc it's more convenient when people can drink their coffee or tea right away.)
I don't want to belittle the pain and severe injuries that woman had, and if it's been standard in the USA for ages to hand out drinks at, idk, 60°C or so, I can see why one would expect it to be safe to handle (and possibly spill with bad luck) right after purchasing. It just felt odd to me when hearing about it the first time because to me expecting a coffee or tea to be anything but boiling hot sounded unusual to begin with...
Juliet (Ryel), Rollerskating Elf 🏳️⚧️@artcollisions @skinnylatte McDonalds lady got burned so badly by excessively hot coffee that she needed skin grafts on her labia.
@skinnylatte “He also sued Walmart over its Wi-Fi policy.”
Wow. I thought American tourists a bit much.
He must be quite affluent if he could afford to travel and launch multiple lawsuits in the foreign country.
TheJen will not comply@skinnylatte HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I have had the "spicy tacos" in New York. They bore me to death they're so bland. Dude should stick to mayonnaise.
Aoife 🦫🏴@skinnylatte This isn't even spicy, there's a location by my office.
Leo@skinnylatte wth ^^
It's not like there are no places in Germany to eat spicy... What a weird story
Feòrag@leonavis @skinnylatte And there’s at least one nationwide Mexican restaurant chain.
Rich Stein (he/him)@skinnylatte
Your comment about suing is so sad — and so accurate. Our youngest — almost out of high school now — was bit on the calf (ugly bite) by a small dog on a leash, years ago. We — Mom, Dad, sibs — weren't there at the time (he was bike riding in a local park). The woman at the other end of the leash told our son to wait, she'd put her dog in the car and come back to help him. She never returned. He came home crying and bleeding.
We tried to find the woman so we could get info on...
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... the dog's rabies vaccine status — sounds silly (it was a house pet) but that was the local vet school's and our pediatrician's advice. When we couldn't locate the woman, both pediatrician and vet school said to get the rabies vaccine series. That sucked.
Anyway, the nurse at the E.R. asked what happened, and when we told her — and that the woman whose dog it was disappeared, she remarked something like, "Oh, she probably thought you'd sue her."
Next day, when son returned
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... to school — must have been 3rd Grade — he was asked about the large bandage on his calf. When he concluded his story, a bunch of his classmates — ~8-9 years old — asked if he was going to sue the lady if we found her. 😳😕
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... to school — must have been 3rd Grade — he was asked about the large bandage on his calf. When he concluded his story, a bunch of his classmates — ~8-9 years old — asked if he was going to sue the lady if we found her. 😳😕
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@RunRichRun Lawsuits are for when someone causes undue harm, and then refuses to take responsibility.
A dog bite can easily fall into that range.
But even if the child provoked the bite, the fact that she *abandoned* the child without any help likely goes beyond, into criminal behavior. A police report would not have been amiss, and if she walked her dog in the area, she probably would have been found.
Have to consider that this might not be the only child she'd done this to.
@solitha @skinnylatte
We went back many times — it's a relatively nearby park. Never saw her or the small white dog who bit. We really only wanted info about the dog's vaccine status so as to avoid the hassle of the rabies vaccines for our son. There was a police report filed – a policeman found our son crying in the park. Legal issues aside, really bad behavior.
We went back many times — it's a relatively nearby park. Never saw her or the small white dog who bit. We really only wanted info about the dog's vaccine status so as to avoid the hassle of the rabies vaccines for our son. There was a police report filed – a policeman found our son crying in the park. Legal issues aside, really bad behavior.
@RunRichRun Oh, good to know. I understand what you were going for, but as I later edited in, you also have to wonder if her dog regularly injures people.
I was thinking that the police report would put them on the alert to look for her in a wider area. Sounds like they didn't find her either, sadly. She really needed a hard lesson in decency.