Sigh.

New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

@VeeRat "AI zombies" is the best description I've heard in a while. It says it all.
@N01100010 @VeeRat slopotomized ai zombies.

@yetzt @N01100010 @VeeRat

Seriously.

The goal is to destroy critical thinking and make us dependent on tools that are under their total surveillance and algorithmic control.

@violetmadder @yetzt @N01100010 @VeeRat EXACTLY, cuz #Neofeudalism works best when everyone worships an "#Oracle" instead of using their own brains!
@VeeRat none of these folks understand that the journey is the destination. if you don't write it yourself, it doesn't settle in the brain. they want the summary, not the process of taking notes. the process is anathema to them. ::shakes fists::
@VeeRat They're trying to make converts because it validates their own use of the tools, which they feel insecure about. It's a quasi-religious evangelical impulse.

@cstross @VeeRat The thing I have seen the most-of is Gen Z and Alpha basically pretending to use AI to make Gamm-pa Boomer Manager happy, but really just learning the ropes and making the connections with the C-Suite while also playing nice with all the Xennials who actually Do Shit.

The result is when the Boomers FINALLY retire... the youngin's will probably be given the keys and will keep the Xennials who don't suck.

Much like Intergenerational wealth advice of "Leave it to the grandkids"

@cstross @VeeRat

Will the "Xennials who do suck" include a bunch of toadies who couldn't even get AI to do things for them, a LOT of middle management feeling like they are living in a Dilbert Strip... as well as the creepy nepotism hire who knows where the body(ies) are buried?

Yeeep.

@cstross @VeeRat Raises the old point that those who feel secure in themselves are happy to treat others as valid and complementary, while those who are insecure have to push everyone else to do as they do, and patronise them.

@cstross @VeeRat
☑️ A prayer like process wishing for improvement without guarantees of personal effort
☑️ Taking your money now for maybe gains later
☑️ A massive rise of misinformation
☑️ Multiple competing flavors of the same shit
☑️ Detrimental to critical thinking, worsened when introduced at a young age

There’s nothing quasi about it. It looks exactly like religion to me.

@ProHaller @VeeRat I think it's a screaming tell that the biggest boosters of LLMs-as-AI, the silicon valley AGI fanboi crowd, have essentially reinvented Christianity with machine jesus, and the bastardized public understanding of this is basically Prosperity Gospel nonsense.
@VeeRat So true. Often I'll write the notes and then never look at them again. The act of creating them is the point.
@tartley @VeeRat ^__ this. Writing the notes by hand forced my brain to funnel concept/content , filter the noise, focus, writing is thinking.
@tartley @VeeRat Yes, I am 100% certain that this manager will never read the AI generated summary. And if they did they wouldn’t know what it was referring to. I hate everything about this timeline.
@tartley @VeeRat
Writing thoughtful cheetsheets for exams in school has always been a way to pump brain with info for exam. Physical paper wasn't need after that. Key part is "writing thoughtful"
@mikalai @VeeRat aha, yes, it's a long time since I sat a formal exam but now that you mention it - that was exactly me!
@VeeRat Excuse me. EXCUSE ME! Do you have a few moments for me to share with you the Good News™ of our true Lord and Saviour? Of course you do. You see…

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Also, Copilot literally makes shit up when it takes notes. There are a dozen malpractice lawsuits in the system right now bc doctors used Copilot and its errors seriously endangered the lives of their patients.

I know you can't, but you should just tell him "I prefer my notes to be accurate".

@johnzajac @VeeRat I have said this before

@johnzajac @VeeRat Also the number of show-cause hearings for lawyers (and law firms, and departments of justice) who used genAI to write motions with made-up case citations. A few have progressed to sanctions hearings, and at least one to the dissolution of the law firm in question.

Meanwhile I'm in the middle of cleaning up a complete fustercluck in code that pre-dates genAI, it's _all_ down to human stupidity. We don't need any help screwing things up.

@tknarr @johnzajac @VeeRat

Lazy attorneys at law inventing cases in their filings is nothing new, really.
AI just makes them even lazier by sparing them the imaginative effort.

@johnzajac @VeeRat Copilot (like every AI assistant) is highly motivated, workaholic, 24/7 available ... intern. A very junior intern.
So, if someones trusts this intern to create MoM without thoroughly counter-checking it ... 🙂‍↔️

NB: Even the Microsoft consultants I bumped into so far admitted this fact openly.

@Boerdejakobiner @johnzajac @VeeRat

I never saw people lose reasoning ability after working with an intern.

@Boerdejakobiner @VeeRat

But interns can take feedback and improve.

@VeeRat I had to explain to someone that the act of taking the notes is 99% if the value for me. I almost never actually go back and read them. For me also, paper is better than electronic.

But also zombies.

@petrillic @VeeRat I do look stuff up in my notes all the time so I do electronic, can't search physical notebooks for a phrase or whatever. But totally get the value of handwriting for memory.
@noodlemaz @VeeRat note taking is a super personal thing, because it's deeply linked into how our brains work

@VeeRat

As everyone knows, the process is meaningless. Only the outputs have any value.

More accurately: only the outputs can be sold for money, the process is obviously a sink of effort and salaries
@VeeRat you’re absolutely right.
@VeeRat science backs you up. And even more so if you hand write things.
@VeeRat PS. I did a stint where the client culture was all to make notes quickly on their laptops. They NEVER remembered anything of it or even referred to them that I could see - because too many meetings seemed to hash over the same points over and over and over again. So that also.
@nomdeb @VeeRat soon the bots can run those meetings 24-7 re-hashing the same ol' shite, such progress!!!
@VeeRat "you should just try it. let me show you another thing I did ..."
@VeeRat "You're good at writing notes. Let's change that."

@VeeRat There's this thing where people are indifferent to the results but intensely concerned everyone is doing things in the correct way.

A subset of the impulse to prescriptive norms, more or less; "this works for me, it has to work for you".

@graydon @VeeRat It's just another form of fundamentalism.

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alias copilot_cli=cat

"Oh yes it works wonders"

@VeeRat all else aside, ‘you should stop doing this thing i’ve observed you being good at’ seems like a rather backward approach!
@VeeRat answers not understanding is abdicating learning. In other words, cognitive surrender. Sigh.
@VeeRat People are nearly as stupid as LLMs.
@VeeRat it’s all about “increasing productivity” and justifying spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on AI. If they can’t get employees to adopt it becomes a useless expense. I’ve been pushed to use AI for basically every aspect of my job. Writing emails, taking notes, sending messages, writing articles, etc.
@VeeRat @YakyuNightOwl A significant benefit of AI tools for many people is specifically so they don't need to learn things themselves. That is probably why it is big with CEOs and other executives.

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Speculation: boss finds it difficult to take good notes and thus sees CoPilot’s notes as an improvement.

You keep doing what you’re doing, which probably runs circles around the both of them.

@VeeRat Suggests said AI-Boss is a bit lacking in natural-I.
@VeeRat
This is fanboyism at its purest: everyone has to like the stuff they like as much as they do, or it calls their judgement into question. The core is a deep insecurity that must be assuaged by external validation.
@VeeRat Holy shit I just realized this this morning, typing up a string of discord posts into a static web page. I had to pay attention to it to get it to look right, which made me realize I was reading it more than I had originally. Crazy how nature do that
@VeeRat me too. It's the act of taking notes that helps me be engaged and remember things. The noted themselves I only really use if I need to prove a point or clarify a decision that nobody remembers six months later. This is not something that AI can solve for me.
@VeeRat @drahardja I’m not sure where it’s from, but there’s an incredible quote “I’m not writing it down to remember tomorrow, I’m writing it down to remember it now!” and I think about this a lot with discussions about notes and summaries and LLMs.
@VeeRat
the purpose is not to benefit you, but to benefit your exploiter and microsoft

@VeeRat > Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER.

Once written, twice learned.

Writing code, for example. It's slower than asking the pasteurized process code product generator to do it. But the code slopperizer only gives you code. Writing it yourself gives you, and any organization you work for, both code and understanding.

And I don't just mean the detailed step-by-step "this is what the code does to address some specific need" sort of understanding, though that's also true. It's also an understanding of how you got there, what tradeoffs you made (and so what you might need to address in a few weeks or months), how other people have approached a related problem, or a bit of code your code interacts with in some way, and thus how you need to handle this particular case (it'll be different for different people), and so many other kinds of learning and understanding that can't just be pulled from the code slopperizer.

@VeeRat Handwriting is hard for me. And I can't remember the things I just wrote down (unless I read them multiple times afterwards). I also can't listen to what someone is saying and create usable notes at the same time. My note-taking strategy usually involves either getting someone else to share their notes with me, or sitting down alone afterwards to write down everything I remember.

I still would not use CoPilot for note-taking because I like my notes to be accurate and on-topic!

@VeeRat The LLM tells them they're geniuses.

@VeeRat

They _literally_ don't understand what you mean. I'm the same as you in this respect. The _act_ of writing is valuable. Not the artifact writing produces but the _act_. It's valuable to me personally and I'm not going to stop just because somebody has an AI/LLM/RNG-machine buzz.

<3

@VeeRat I couldn't agree more