Trevor Bramble
Lesley Carhart 
Please, please stop supporting gen AI companies. It’s not worth it. https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/pentagon-ai-claude-bombing-elementary-school
Wendy Nather@hacks4pancakes You’re my hero.
Ian Campbell 🏴
Kim Scheinberg
John Maxwell@hacks4pancakes Thank you.
Momo@hacks4pancakes
I wonder if that decision to use AI in targetting was based on "Yes, use AI, it's perfect and can't do mistakes!!" or rather "We know that AI makes wrong decisions and combining this with live ammunition costs innocent lives. But it's not our civilians who get blown up, so we don't care. Acceptable is good enough!"-Irresponsibity.
Or in simple terms: Are they ignorantly stupid or just cruel?
George BThat one's really hard because they have shown themselves to be both so many times
MacCruiskeen@momo @hacks4pancakes The leadership is swayed by the AI $$$. And they're too stupid to conider anything else. At work we've been testing a Claude-based system to remediate mssing alt-text in ebooks, and the results would not make me confident you could use it for targeting. In fact, the opposite of that.
The FrogThird option:
They're cruel and murderous on purpose (Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and the US supports it after all) and initially planned to use AI as plausible denial for PR reasons, but don't because it doesn't make it look any better. Worse, in fact.
WhichOne'sPink 🇫🇮
Juffo-WupCongrats for the second post in that screen shot, I think the point you made there is not stated often enough.
I really hate how LLM took over the general term "AI", that has been used in CS research for dozens of different approaches.
elltee@hacks4pancakes
Its the opposite for me. I drink and I stop knowing things. 😋
☣️ akaasjager ☣️@hacks4pancakes I don’t, and that probably has brought me in the permanent state that Terry Pratchett once called “knurd”. -5/10 can’t recommend
XCondE@hacks4pancakes non-sequitur: that glass is sweating buckets. You must still be in Singapore.
Superstars of the ApocalypseTo be fair, it's really easy to spin people up on Bluesky.
I don't know of any truly left-leaning people who support AI.
We just need to give better training to the LLMs and make them wear body cams
Eric Lawton
bigiain@CosmickTrigger Of course domestic LLMs, OpenAI/Anthropic/Gemeni/etc, have qualified immunity. We _strongly_ recommend against using Deepseek...
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Raven667@hacks4pancakes and the smug "military targeters would probably have made the same mistake" makes me think of Chief Wright (Stonekettle Station) who did targeting during the first Gulf War and talked about sleepless nights double-checking intelligence to make sure they didn't kill civilians, and called off attacks when they couldn't be sure, who would have been personally devastated if they learned a missile they launched had killed school-kids. The military structure at the time allowed him to care about such things, but Secretary Kegseth doesn't seem to care or have a soul as far as I can tell.
Dźwiedziu@hacks4pancakes
I wish that would be an energy source…
I wish that would be an energy source…
InterestingMoo@hacks4pancakes on the other side of things, does it provide them less liability if Claude makes the targets? Or more? Possibly shifts liabilities away from admin to AI devs. I mean it shouldn't but I can see them arguing that. Administration's love scapegoats.
geolaw
Cali@hacks4pancakes and they wonder how people get radicalised
Asta [AMP]@hacks4pancakes I've been angry about this every single day this week. Multiple times, even. "This is so good at coding!!! we're gonna get left behind!!" no it isn't, no you aren't, they are using it to fucking kill people, which should never have been a thing you should have had to consider because frankly you already should have rejected the usage of LLMs due to the eight million other ethical and moral problems with them.
JW@hacks4pancakes
And stop blaming AI. Blame the people who decided to use AI and blame those who blindly accepted its output without checking it.
And stop blaming AI. Blame the people who decided to use AI and blame those who blindly accepted its output without checking it.
Ariaflame@jwi @hacks4pancakes Both are bad. One for giving bad information, the other for using it without checking it.
JP@jwi @hacks4pancakes the people selling the software that was involved in that decision constantly claim it is a sentient being capable of making better-than-human decisions so yes, we will absolutely "blame AI" as part of the larger effort to hold humans (both the ones dropping the bombs and the ones providing them with the support to do so) accountable.
@jplebreton @hacks4pancakes
Agreed. I see it as the same as a tradesman blaiming their tools. The human is still responsible.
Agreed. I see it as the same as a tradesman blaiming their tools. The human is still responsible.
What's it to you?@jwi @jplebreton @hacks4pancakes the argument is the speed at which evil and incompetence can be inflicted.
No tool, it takes longer, there are more opportunities to intervene. With a tool people appear to worship like the arc of the covenant, opportunities for near real-time horrors untold.
Heinzenstein@hacks4pancakes
Safe bet there's a contractual clause saying the Pentagon is not allowed to explain which manufacturer's "product" they used.
Safe bet there's a contractual clause saying the Pentagon is not allowed to explain which manufacturer's "product" they used.
Joan of Contention 😷@hacks4pancakes Could not agree more. And so long as these companies are solely blamed, and not the Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, that's another victory for DJ "bone spurs" T.
Nazani@hacks4pancakes
As a 97B, I was taught to always recheck any form of electronic or image intelligence. During WWII we "read" a flyover photo of people lined up to enter a Nazi gas chamber as people lined up to enter a mess hall.
As a 97B, I was taught to always recheck any form of electronic or image intelligence. During WWII we "read" a flyover photo of people lined up to enter a Nazi gas chamber as people lined up to enter a mess hall.
ginevra@hacks4pancakes I assume you have read this or at least heard rumours of similar? https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
Nyan Max
Inc Hulk 🧪@hacks4pancakes An AI system would select to send a second bomb 40 mins after the first, to maximise deaths of rescuers.
That is what happened, a 40 min second bomb.
That is what happened, a 40 min second bomb.
Wulfy—Speaker to the machines"Ai" is not something that popped up in the last 3 years.
Ai was being integrated into combat systems for the last decade+.
I know because I was active in #StopKillerRobots movement and no one was interested.