Just so EVERYONE understands this:
Moderna has a flu shot. It works. It works well. It is safe. It is safe in people with compromised immune systems (like cancer patients!).
Trump’s nutjob at FDA, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., appears to have ordered FDA to refuse to even accept the application to review the shot for approval.
RFK wants to kill your grandma. Fuck RFK.
@mcnado the flu shot worked great this season - everyone around got sick but me and my vaccinated kids. Thank goodness, because ever since catching Covid 3x everything goes straight into my lungs. 🥲
They're crazy. Trust the science!
@77nn @mcnado 1000% agree. If I recall correctly, in the beginning RFK said they'd keep the abortion pill. Immediately after taking office, basically said "nevermind!"
Trump did the same thing with...everything.
It was so clear it was just a massive ploy to pander to various groups to get in control. Greedy sadists, of so many varieties.
There was never a single move of theirs that didn't have an ulterior motive. What makes me sad is desperate (and uneducated) people just get sucked in.
@freyjfreyj @mcnado
Fuck yes, especially if they’re Republicans
Tell them that many thousands of elderly people will die because of their support for Donald Trump and his appointees
And tell them you will work like hell to tell everyone you know to hold them accountable
They would not be working so damn hard to make it difficult to vote if it didn’t matter
@mcnado I'm so happy that I live in a (still) civilized country.
I would be one of the ones RFK would want to kill.
"RFK Wants To Kill", full sentence.
@mcnado probably has access to an evidenced case that RFK's policy is dangerous, misguided, and wicked. (Whether mcnado can articulate that case in another matter.)
But I see no evidence that RFK actively wants to kill anyone's granny.
This sort of hyperbolic falsehood is used by both sides of the #vaccine wars. So I disengage
@2legged @mcnado
MRNA vaccines have been proven to work for people who are otherwise unable to take vaccines. Many of these people are grannies.
Refusing to allow MRNA vaccines to be studied (after they have proven to be effective) means that RFK is actively cutting off ways to prevent people being killed by disease.
So...At best he doesn't care if grannies die, as long as it's in service of not further testing MRNA vaccines, and he's doing this while taking actions which all available evidence shows will raise grannies' chance of death.
That's close enough for me. Is there a leap in logic that I missed? At the very worst I see slightly exaggerated representation of the truth. Where is the falsehood on the side of vaccines?
@yesh Tthat's a very longwinded way of confirming that as I suspected, there is no evidence that RFK wants to kill grannies.
You seem to have retreated from @mcnado's claims, to a charge of reckless endangerment. That is a very different matter to an active desire to kill.
The failure to respect such distinctions is part of the hyperbolic propaganda which has spewed from both sides of the vaccine debates nearly for two centuries. This is a good illustration of how little has changed.
@2legged
Your answer, basically
1) 'You used too many words and retreated from @mcnado's position',
2) 'reckless endangerment isn't as bad as murder', and
3) 'both sides are bad'
Short answer? 'As if that makes it okay!?!'
Long answers:
1) I replied to a post and made my own claim. The 'change' to my position was to make it known. That is not a retreat.
RFK has been shown evidence that more grannies are likely to die if we disallow MRNA vaccine approval going through a scientific process.
Assuming RFK wants to do what he does… with no hyperbole we see: RFK's desire not to endanger grannies is weaker than his desire to kill MRNA vaccines' approval.
2) Heads of HHS shouldn't kill at a population level by way of reckless endangerment either.
3)@mcnado at _worst_ exaggerated, and the effect is RFK could hear about it and feel bad.
Can you show me an anti-vax position which does as little harm? Can you show me you publicly criticizing anti-vax beyond 'both sides' critiques?
'Both sides are bad' <thbbptttttt>
@2legged @yesh @mcnado
The vaccine debate is not complicated
You reveal yourself by saying it is
Anti-vaccine “questions” about vaccines for decades are what has got these politicians in power so that my father who’s in the fucking hospital with kidney failure will now, this year not be able to access the flu vaccine and will likely die next flu season
Fuck both-sidesing the “vaccine debate”
You want to kill our grannies
@riley @[email protected] Most political actions have a range of objectives and a range of consequences. Political actions require weighing a basket of objectives and consequences.
Reducing everything to a simple binary choice on one point is a lie about the nature of the decision.
@riley If you really want a race to the bottom, that's a great plan.
But I don't actually aspire to life in the sewer.
1/ Acting in good faith does not include climbing down into the sewer.
2/ Your assimption that good faith and bad faith are neatiy separated either side of the dividing line is a form of simplistic partisansjip which rarely corresponds with reality. It certainly doesn't correspond with the ugly realities of two centuries of vaccination debates
3/ Vaccines are promoted by governments and huge businesses. Those entities are very far from powerless.
@tonwood You and McNado assome that
1/ the consequences are understood as you understand them, and
2/ that the adverse consequence you identify are an actual goal rather than a side-effect.
This is a precise mirror of the simplistic binary logic of the extremist anti-vaxxer logic that administering a vaccine with known possible side effects is evidence of a desire to kill people.
The world is more complex and nuanced than either tribe wants to acknowledge.
.
@[email protected]
Presently there is only one answer to the RFK nutter madness in USA.
Researchers and companys should leave the disgusting maga 5th world failed state usa while they still can.
That means are not yet incarcerated without reason other than being in opposition to idiots, in ICE Gulags.
Bizarre. Vous êtes sur les réseaux sociaux depuis hier?
@mcnado In a cult, the lie is not meant to be believed, it is meant to be repeated. The more effort you expend repeating the lie, the more difficult it is, the more you prove yourself a member. The lie becomes a moral pillar of the community.
This is how humans work. We tell ourselves lies that we have put this behind us, but the overwhelming majority of us doesn’t even have a clue how to do that!
MAGA Make American graves abundant
@mcnado “wants to kill your grandma”—(raises hand—that’d be me, huh?)
Why kill grandmas, you might ask?
We’re on social security.
We use Medicare.
We might live in a house (lookin’ at you, Sec Bessent—ahem!)
Now imagine millions of us die
less social security to pay out
less Medicare to pay for
more houses on the market
I’ve never felt so determined to live to be 100+
@grammasaurus @mcnado Uff. I actually never thought about the Medicare and house part. That really hits...
And it's just pure logic evilness. As can be expected of those people currently in charge in the US...
What about us Grandpas?
Sure we do not tend to live as long as you Grandmas but I'm in no hurry to shuffle off this mortal coil.
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