McNadoMDFeb 11

Just so EVERYONE understands this:

Moderna has a flu shot. It works. It works well. It is safe. It is safe in people with compromised immune systems (like cancer patients!).

Trump’s nutjob at FDA, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., appears to have ordered FDA to refuse to even accept the application to review the shot for approval.

RFK wants to kill your grandma. Fuck RFK.

Show threadClaire McNabFeb 11

@mcnado probably has access to an evidenced case that RFK's policy is dangerous, misguided, and wicked. (Whether mcnado can articulate that case in another matter.)

But I see no evidence that RFK actively wants to kill anyone's granny.

This sort of hyperbolic falsehood is used by both sides of the #vaccine wars. So I disengage

Show threadRiley S. Faelan

@2legged But have you considered that the purpose of a politician is what it does?

@mcnado

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Show threadClaire McNabFeb 12

@riley @[email protected] Most political actions have a range of objectives and a range of consequences. Political actions require weighing a basket of objectives and consequences.

Reducing everything to a simple binary choice on one point is a lie about the nature of the decision.

Show threadRiley S. FaelanFeb 12
@2legged Hey, if the right-wing politicians are completely willing to impute intent on criminal defendants on the basis of allowing crimes to happen, why shouldn't we hold them to this same standard?
Show threadClaire McNabFeb 12

@riley If you really want a race to the bottom, that's a great plan.

But I don't actually aspire to life in the sewer.

Show threadRiley S. FaelanFeb 12
@2legged You think you can avoid sewers by assuming that powerful people are doing things in good faith and powerless people in bad faith? 
Show threadClaire McNabFeb 12

@riley

1/ Acting in good faith does not include climbing down into the sewer.

2/ Your assimption that good faith and bad faith are neatiy separated either side of the dividing line is a form of simplistic partisansjip which rarely corresponds with reality. It certainly doesn't correspond with the ugly realities of two centuries of vaccination debates

3/ Vaccines are promoted by governments and huge businesses. Those entities are very far from powerless.

Show threadRiley S. FaelanFeb 12
@2legged You seem to be making a silly argument just for the sake of protecting RFK from the entirely reasonable conclusion that it's reasonable to impute on him the intent of the foreseeable bad consequences of his actions even though he might profess pretexts instead of directly admitting to have intended the foreseeable bad consequences of his actions. Why?