Puer TristeJan 23
Erik Jonker
Good to spread the word about the disinformation Trump is spreading about NATO-members not supporting the US.
#USA #NATO #Trump #geopolitics @geopolitics
Jan 23 at 7:39amWeb
Show threadDavid Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)Jan 23

@ErikJonker @geopolitics

It would be interesting to break out how many were killed by US soldiers. I vaguely recall the first British casualties in the Gulf War being due to friendly fire from the US. Reports of deaths from friendly fire often make the news in these conflicts and it seems like it’s almost always the US who is responsible.

Show threadUrban CameraJan 23

@david_chisnall @ErikJonker @geopolitics

In the Gulf War I, British tanks were marked on top for the first time, so that the American fighter pilots might recognise them as friendly.

IIRC one friendly fire incident took out seven Brits.

Show threadAnneHJan 23
@david_chisnall @ErikJonker @geopolitics Yes, definitely.
Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦Jan 23
Scanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents the majority of friendly fire casualties do appear to same-nation accidents, but I saw four cases of American air support firing on British or Canadian troops leading to 16 dead and 43 injured - plus one RAF Tornado shot down by US Patriot battery.
@david_chisnall @ErikJonker @geopolitics
List of friendly fire incidents - Wikipedia

Show threadUlrik Nyman ⬡Jan 23

@ErikJonker @geopolitics
Why is there a 160+ for Canada?

Did they loose count at some point?

Show threadJoão Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)Jan 23
@UlrikNyman there's some discussion around the number (some sources say 159, some 160, so there's always the need to put an "asterisk" because of it). The worst part is that at least 5 Canadian soldiers died because of US "friendly-fire" in different moments, 4 of them were the first casualties in the war, and more than 30 were wounded.
@ErikJonker @geopolitics
Show threadMichaelJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics good to share. Also should highlight many of the deaths were friendly fire from American airstrikes
Show threadMiles Offit... 🇨🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦Jan 23

@implementcontrols Can confirm, including my friend Mark.

"On September 4, 2006, Graham was killed in a friendly fire incident when two USAF A-10 Thunderbolts fired on his platoon, having mistaken them for Taliban insurgents. He was awarded the Sacrifice Medal and is buried at the National Military Cemetery in Ottawa."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Anthony_Graham

@ErikJonker

Mark Anthony Graham - Wikipedia

Show threadTristan Colgate-McFarlaneJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics US boycott time for me.
Show threadWeltzeitgeistJan 23

@ErikJonker @geopolitics It's amazing how the vassals in the Pig Empire use that as an argument, how they actually achieved ‘NOTHING’ while destroying 4.5 million people.

Fuck me, I hate liberals so much.

Show threadHuntn00Jan 23
@wackJackle @ErikJonker @geopolitics Could you clarify? Does that mean you hate everyone or just liberals in contrast to conservatives?
Show threadndoloramogiJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics
Show threadGraeme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Jan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics Trump is vile. He knows nothing, cares for nothing but himself. We all need to stop working with Trumpistan. Make America Go Away!
Show threadByrnensorg🇮🇪🇺🇦🇵🇸🇬🇱🇩🇰Jan 23
@ErikJonker @[email protected] Why do people still place stock in anything that comes out of his wordhole. So much energy goes into countering the lies and presenting the truth that the truth ends up looking like just an alternative narrative.
Show threadHuntn00Jan 23
@byrnensorg @ErikJonker in the US, we are plagued with a high degree of easily manipulated STUPID RACIST. But I’d also ask for a relative comparison with humans around the world for a clearer picture. 🤔
Show threadByrnensorg🇮🇪🇺🇦🇵🇸🇬🇱🇩🇰Jan 23
@Huntn00 @ErikJonker Well that on the face of it may prove harder to do than it appears for quite a few examples are tainted with the tangerine touch. I refer to far right emboldening in Israel, UK, France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands replacement of political leaders in Venezuela, Iran and an attempt in Greenland. We could search for independent acts of racist movements to equal or supersede those of Trump and his cult, but isn't that precisely what he wants us to do?
Show threadHuntn00Jan 23
@byrnensorg @ErikJonker The bottom line, we’re humans who tend to be selfish, and if the $$$ opportunity appears we can lose perspective and make self-destructive choices. At this point, I’ll say there’s some hope, while not being hopeful, and that we’ll probably crash the planet, kill off a couple billion people, and have to start over near the bottom, maybe relearning or evolving into a better species. 🤔
Show threadByrnensorg🇮🇪🇺🇦🇵🇸🇬🇱🇩🇰Jan 23
@Huntn00 @ErikJonker My personal favourites is an intervention by a semi accurate meteor or comet, or an ice age (not an ICE age).
Show threadTC Won't Give In To LiesJan 23

@ErikJonker @geopolitics

Maybe a side by side comparison with Trump Family military service (not eve deaths, just service)

Show threadBodhipaksaJan 23

@ErikJonker

Feel free to add this to the alt text.

United Kingdom 636
Canada 160+
France 90
Italy 86
Poland 74
Germany 62
Denmark 50
Spain 46
Netherlands 27
Czech Republic 15
Estonia 11
Norway 10

Source: NATO mission casualty records, Afghanistan & post-9/11 operations

Show threadMidgePhotoJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics
With though.
Not for.
Show threadGondorJan 23
@ErikJonker
🤨 Ok. Although as a principle, there is nothing such as a "quid pro quo" in an alliance. Such an "argument" by itself is an insult.
Show threadALJan 23

@ErikJonker @geopolitics
It is nice to see a post with facts, figures and the source.

We need more of this kind of reporting instead of just a statement that inflames one side of the other.
Good job.

Show threadON4BAMJan 23
@mral @ErikJonker @geopolitics Unfortunately, facts don't matter for the supreme baboon.
Show threadALJan 23

@ON4BAM @ErikJonker @geopolitics
agreed but everyone else needs facts and we can not live by their standards.

We must not let them drag us down to their standards.

"them" and "their" is reference to the GOP, conservatives and other flat earthers. #Pumpkinhead only has power because these folks give it to him. They are the real problem. Pumpkin head can not fix anything more complicated than a sandwich.

Show threadMad EngineeringJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics the alliance with Europe was incredibly valuable up until it got monkey wrenched out of existence because my fellow citizens decided to throw a nationalist tantrum.
Show threadIan WagnerJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics @CyReVolt even more when you consider adjusting per capita. Estonia is only 1.3 million people. And their defense spending as a ratio of GDP is higher than the requirement by a wider margin than most NATO states.
Show threadOliver SchönrockJan 23

@ErikJonker @geopolitics

Just ignore the demented ape and become more autonomous.

The US is no longer an ally. They are a sufficiently dysfunctional country that they disqualify themselves.

Show threadHuntn00Jan 23
@oschonrock @ErikJonker @geopolitics At this point you are right, the US should be considered an adversary, but don’t be super quick to burn all bridges, the US is still in flux, reversal is possible.
Humpty used to represent 40% (today maybe 20% plus Bs), but with a 50 year trend in deterioration, I’m not particularly hopeful, while still hoping for reversal, which still might involve a revolution or breakup of the States. Then all bets are off. 😳
Show threadRonny LamJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics Which country invoked article 5 for the first and only time in the history of NATO? Which countries reacted? All of them! But no, now NATO is a bigger threat than Russia and China.
Show threadRichard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴‍♂️📷 🗺️Jan 23

@ErikJonker @[email protected]

Trump prefers soldiers that don't get killed, better yet get excused for dubious health issues.

Show threadWesDymJan 23
@ErikJonker He's demented, and says stupid, wrong shit all the time. He doesn't even know what he's saying most of the time. His brain is pudding.
Show threadHuntn00Jan 23
@wesdym @ErikJonker That comes with being a mentally ill, evil moron with one skill, bringing out the selfish racist in other low level dummies. A prevalence of disenfranchised stupid and backing by co-conspirator Bs is the only reason Humpty has gotten this far. A good lesson to remember, as if it will save us at this point. 🤔
Show threadRobert MJan 23

@ErikJonker @geopolitics What else would you expect from #Trump?

Donald “Bone Spurs” Trump Thinks Americans Who Die in War Are “Suckers” and “Losers” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/donald-trump-losers-and-suckers #uspolitics #nato

Donald “Bone Spurs” Trump Thinks Americans Who Die in War Are “Suckers” and “Losers”

But people who are afraid to get their hair messed up in the rain are heroes.

Vanity Fair
Show threadRobert MJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics I always knew there were a lot of stupid people in this country. I just never realized just how many until he was elected the first time. #Trump #NATO #uspolitics
Show threadHuntn00Jan 23
@rob11563 @ErikJonker @geopolitics Yep, he’s a first class mental POS and it grieves me beyond measure how this became Evil POTUS. 😔
Show threadTofu GolemJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics
Notice how few of my countrymen are complaining about what Trump said.
Show threadHuntn00Jan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics For the next plea of help the answer might be “Fuck off assholes.” 🤔
Show threadYogthosJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics oh hey, why don't you also post the numbers of innocent civilians these soldiers murdered around the world, as NATO was invading countries to rape and pillage, while you're at it?
Show threadErik JonkerJan 23
@yogthos @geopolitics ... because that is not the subject of this discussion
Show threadYogthosJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics it is however, important context for this discussion. NATO is a terrorist organization that invades and destroys countries. These soldiers are war criminals who have been conducting crimes against humanity.
Show threadErik JonkerJan 23
@yogthos @geopolitics generalizing in this way is just wrong. Also the NATO is not a terrorist organisation , it is simply stupid to suggest that, it is a purely defensive organisation (fact) , it never invaded a country or destroyed it...
Show threadYogthosJan 23

@geopolitics

this is not a generalization, and it's factually true. NATO has invaded and destroyed Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia.

In every case, NATO has murdered countless civilians, and created humanitarian crises that destroyed lives of millions of people. This is what these soldiers died doing. Everybody has to be clear about that.

Show threadAndy WoottonJan 23
@ErikJonker @geopolitics The 'mighty' US is the only NATO country that has asked other countries' forces to die for them since WW2. Bone-spurs Boy has failed to get the Russian invaders out of Ukraine. He even took the phrase "Special Operation" from Putin. He'll want it back, with interest.
Show threadlippyduckJan 24
@ErikJonker "Disinformation" does not even begin to describe it. It's the most grave, craven and crass insult to America's allies. And it comes straight after his brazen threats to annex allies' soverign territory. (How many Americans have even heard about Greenland amid the ICE rage?). It's quite something for a UK PM unambiguously to condemn a US president. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c5y3jvrz3zko
'Insulting': Starmer reacts to Trump's comments on Nato troops in Afghanistan

The UK was among several allies to join the US in Afghanistan from 2001, after it invoked Nato's collective security clause following the 9/11 terror attacks.

BBC News