I think my favorite clip of hers is when Brennan’s prompt was “A Dom DM” on “Make Some Noise”. Just straight up went into a fugue state.
also, I am antifa too.
Boycotts don’t work either, for that matter.
It’s weird that we so often see political/social problems and think “I know, I’ll help solve this by giving (or withholding) my money from some for-profit corporation and hope the influence will trickle down to the cause I actually care about!”
Instead, you know we could just support activists working to advance that cause (or outlaw that bad corporate behavior) directly, right?
The two are not mutually exclusive. For-profit corporations react to, well, changes in profit. It’s not about the influence ‘trickling down’, it’s about punishing bad behavior on the part of corporations in the only way that they actually understand - something which other corporations, desperate to please their shareholders, take note of.
Boycotts, performed by a sufficient percentage of the consumer base, do what they are intended to do - adjust corporate behavior. Nothing deeper - but far from pointless. And considering how fucking difficult it is to pass regulations, and how even with a friendly legislature such things take considerable amounts of time and must avoid violating corporate ‘rights’, boycotts are not a tool to be discarded out-of-hand.
As long as for-profit corporations exist - and they appear to be well-established to continue to do so for the near-future - we must deal with them as they are, not as we wish them to be (ie well-regulated or gone).
As long as for-profit corporations exist - and they appear to be well-established to continue to do so for the near-future - we must deal with them as they are, not as we wish them to be (ie well-regulated or gone).
Too many people have gotten so accustomed to “deal[IMG with them as they are”
Look man, “Abolish for-profit corporations, and all that implies” has significant support on here, but not so much in meatspace America. Most of us are trying to play the cards we have with the players we have.
They haven’t ‘lost sight’ of the real problem, they disagree that there is a problem to begin with. And we, as leftists, have to work against that being the dominant view. But that’s groundwork, and boycotts are action for more immediate purposes. Two entirely different undertakings.
Boycotts don’t work either, for that matter.
Dude, the internet just bullied Disney into rehiring Jimmy Kimmel. Do you know how? Boycotting Disney’s subscription services, unsubscribbing, and stating that it’s because they fired Kimmel.
A for profit corp will absolutely change course if their wallet takes a big enough dent.
And yet it did fuck-all to solve the underlying problem of Trump shitting on the First Amendment and getting away with it.
The solution to that can only be political.
You: “I want a rocket ship to go to work!”
Everyone: “How about we start you off with a car, and we’ll work our way up to a rocket ship?”
You: “Fuck that bullshit, Imma walk instead!”
I opened with “okay, but giving Sony money is not the most effective way to express that sentiment.”
Don’t accuse me of bad faith when you’re the one lying.
Also, I’ve been boycotting Sony for literally decades (and have no intention of stopping). I’m speaking from bitter experience when I tell you it’s not the best strategy, but I also never said not to do it!
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So let me get this straight: not giving Sony extra money is “sucking on that boot?” Because what, you think Sony is some kind of champion of anti-fascism now?!
What the fuck is wrong with you people?!
Boycotts worked in protesting apartheid South Africa. Boycotts have also had tangible impact on Israel’s economy, and given that it seems that internationally, the tides have changed in terms of countries actually recognising the genocide.
You’re right that it’s more powerful to identify what activists are doing and to join in their efforts, but this isn’t an “either/or” kind of problem. I agree that it’s not productive if people boycott a thing and go no further — we do need people pushing back in more active ways. However, boycotts can have an impact if enough people do it. Furthermore, I think that boycotts can act as an easily accessible first step towards more active support of a cause, as well as a way of keeping an issue in people’s minds.
Antifa isn’t an organization.
Antifa is a loose classification which amounts to “Anyone who is antifascist and active”
They have a website… I mean, right?
No, because there’s no antifa ’organization’ that could credibly speak for the movement. It would be like finding a website for Pineapple-on-Pizza lovers and asking if that was ‘the’ Pineapple-on-Pizza-Lover website. The answer is no, because Pineapple-on-Pizza-Lover is describing an inclination, not membership in a group.
Or, for a more innate example, asking if “the Asians” have a website. Asian is descriptive of a (subjective, generally phenotypical) quality, not of membership in an organization. You could find any number of websites by Asian folk, or catering to Asian folk, but it’s not “The Asians have a website.”
Sure ok, pretty good words. The meaning and connotations of words are fluid are they not. Its beings claimed that “Antifa” is the same thing as being anti fascist, and im trying to make a case that it is not the same thing and shouldn’t be used interchangeably.
Look, I was fooled by that website… mud on my face. But “antifa” has a sort of civil disobedience optics attached to it. Its has imagery related to it, being sights of protest/riot and unrest type stuff.
On a personal note, I see the folks identifying as “antifa” and i dont particularly want to be associated with them at all. Although I do believe I am an anti-fascist. What is one to do.
But “antifa” has a sort of civil disobedience optics attached to it. Its has imagery related to it, being sights of protest/riot and unrest type stuff.
Because of propaganda trying to demonize antifa/being anti-fascist. Congrats, you fell for it.
On a personal note, I see the folks identifying as “antifa” and i dont particularly want to be associated with them at all. Although I do believe I am an anti-fascist. What is one to do.
Get over it, it doesn’t matter. You don’t get to choose who shares your ideals any more than you get to choose who likes pineapple on their pizza.
No… lol. “Propaganda” didn’t paint the antifa movement in a bad light. Whatever perception the populace holds about them is their own doing.
Wow… its all fascinating… cuz now you think anyone against “Antifa” is against anti-fascism. Is that right?
IDK if you’ve heard, but countries all over the world are becoming more and more riddled with fascists in seats of power. What was left of the US’s democracy is crumbling away as we speak. There are people in powerful positions with a vested interest on demonizing those who would fight against them or call them out. Those people 100% are absolutely spewing propaganda to that effect, doing things like labeling antifa as a terrorist organization.
Wow… its all fascinating… cuz now you think anyone against “Antifa” is against anti-fascism. Is that right?
… Yes. This isn’t a gotcha, and if you’ve been reading the previous comments in this thread, you’d understand why.
being anti-fascist and antifa are exactly the same thing.
No, they are not the same thing. This is exactly what im talking about. Linguisticly, they arent the same. Politically they arent the same thing.
Being an upright American citizen who is also anti-fascist is not “ANTIFA” just like an anti-communist is not an “Antcom”
it’s fascism dear, you can’t civil yourself out of it.
sounds like what you really want is to live in fascism, but still complain about it to get laid. but you will never do anything against fascism.