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grueOkay, but giving Sony money is not the most effective way to express that sentiment.
I mean, what’s the reverse of a boycott?
Boycotts don’t work either, for that matter.
It’s weird that we so often see political/social problems and think “I know, I’ll help solve this by giving (or withholding) my money from some for-profit corporation and hope the influence will trickle down to the cause I actually care about!”
Instead, you know we could just support activists working to advance that cause (or outlaw that bad corporate behavior) directly, right?
The two are not mutually exclusive. For-profit corporations react to, well, changes in profit. It’s not about the influence ‘trickling down’, it’s about punishing bad behavior on the part of corporations in the only way that they actually understand - something which other corporations, desperate to please their shareholders, take note of.
Boycotts, performed by a sufficient percentage of the consumer base, do what they are intended to do - adjust corporate behavior. Nothing deeper - but far from pointless. And considering how fucking difficult it is to pass regulations, and how even with a friendly legislature such things take considerable amounts of time and must avoid violating corporate ‘rights’, boycotts are not a tool to be discarded out-of-hand.
As long as for-profit corporations exist - and they appear to be well-established to continue to do so for the near-future - we must deal with them as they are, not as we wish them to be (ie well-regulated or gone).
As long as for-profit corporations exist - and they appear to be well-established to continue to do so for the near-future - we must deal with them as they are, not as we wish them to be (ie well-regulated or gone).
Too many people have gotten so accustomed to “deal[IMG with them as they are”
Look man, “Abolish for-profit corporations, and all that implies” has significant support on here, but not so much in meatspace America. Most of us are trying to play the cards we have with the players we have.
They haven’t ‘lost sight’ of the real problem, they disagree that there is a problem to begin with. And we, as leftists, have to work against that being the dominant view. But that’s groundwork, and boycotts are action for more immediate purposes. Two entirely different undertakings.
Still weird that you’re white-knighting for Sony, though.
Weird that you’re on here arguing with people instead of changing the laws. If they’re not doing enough, then what the fuck are you doing?
Boycotts don’t work either, for that matter.
Dude, the internet just bullied Disney into rehiring Jimmy Kimmel. Do you know how? Boycotting Disney’s subscription services, unsubscribbing, and stating that it’s because they fired Kimmel.
A for profit corp will absolutely change course if their wallet takes a big enough dent.
And yet it did fuck-all to solve the underlying problem of Trump shitting on the First Amendment and getting away with it.
The solution to that can only be political.
The underlying problem is that like half of Americans only pay lip service to the First Amendment.
AlaknárYou: “I want a rocket ship to go to work!”
Everyone: “How about we start you off with a car, and we’ll work our way up to a rocket ship?”
You: “Fuck that bullshit, Imma walk instead!”
bthestOnly to have him immediately bring on Gavin “hug-a-nazi” Newsom.
Which companies PR department wrote this?
Not Sony’s that’s for sure, since the point of my comment is advocating against giving them money.
No, either you’re arguing in bad faith or your rhetoric is seriously lacking. You open with “Boycotts don’t work”, then go on a rant about how people give/withhold money from corporations and then babble something about activists as if you couldn’t do both, boycott a company AND support activism. It’s clear you’re not in favour of corporations but your argument is essentially to not even bother doing the bare minimum because it’s not as good as a fundamentally different economical system.
I opened with “okay, but giving Sony money is not the most effective way to express that sentiment.”
Don’t accuse me of bad faith when you’re the one lying.
Also, I’ve been boycotting Sony for literally decades (and have no intention of stopping). I’m speaking from bitter experience when I tell you it’s not the best strategy, but I also never said not to do it!
If you’re saying it won’t work, why do it at all? Do you want us to waste our time?
I opened with “okay, but giving Sony money is not the most effective way to express that sentiment.”
If there is enough will, boycott works. It work to help end the apartheid in South Africa.
The Montgomery Bus Boycott was also famously effective.
don’t forget to stay hydrated while sucking on that boot
So let me get this straight: not giving Sony extra money is “sucking on that boot?” Because what, you think Sony is some kind of champion of anti-fascism now?!
What the fuck is wrong with you people?!
blocking this capitalist bootlicker troll
Boycotts worked in protesting apartheid South Africa. Boycotts have also had tangible impact on Israel’s economy, and given that it seems that internationally, the tides have changed in terms of countries actually recognising the genocide.
You’re right that it’s more powerful to identify what activists are doing and to join in their efforts, but this isn’t an “either/or” kind of problem. I agree that it’s not productive if people boycott a thing and go no further — we do need people pushing back in more active ways. However, boycotts can have an impact if enough people do it. Furthermore, I think that boycotts can act as an easily accessible first step towards more active support of a cause, as well as a way of keeping an issue in people’s minds.
samus12345Boycotts work when people actually do them rather than just say they will. Gamers are notoriously weak-willed when it comes to boycotts.
Venus_ZiegenfalleGirlcott
SailorFuzzyikes, talk about gifs that didn’t age well
SkunkWorkzThat shit still slaps though
What was his last slap?
“Will Smith just slapped the shit out of me!”
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