Kristoffer Lawson
Ben ToddEvery little website is being pushed onto Facebook thanks to the computer illiterate duckheads in UK Parliament. We'll played MPs, people are much more vulnerable on Facebook you cuckwombles 🤬
Aunty@monkeyben I'm waiting for the Australian Government to tell me that having contact details on my blog counts as social media and comes under our Online Safety Bill lol
Michelle B 🇪🇺🇩🇲@monkeyben it’s dreadful isn’t it? Every time something tells me we don’t need a website we have Facebook a part of me dies.
Commercial social media totally killed the vibe of the web. Instead of cool individual websites it's now just a couple of interactive advertising boards. It's not like Facebook is even good at being a forum with it's single thread format.
It really makes me sad when people think a Facebook page is good enough for themselves.
Daniel@monkeyben @Leneux
I've never seen a "special interest" forum move to Facebook without losing its character, its energy and four fifths of its posting volume.
I've never seen a "special interest" forum move to Facebook without losing its character, its energy and four fifths of its posting volume.
Ret@monkeyben @neil one more for the list...
Veronica Olsen 🏳️🌈🇳🇴🌻
Hubert Figuière@monkeyben which answer the question "why doesn't big tech oppose these bills?"
It's just a cost of doing business they can afford that prevent smaller competitors from emerging.
Doodidan@monkeyben Pressure on business is only profitable for big ones 😓
RejZoR@monkeyben This is how I stopped using my local Hyundai community. They used to run a regular forum, but they later shut it down and moved to Facebook. I've not joined it because fuck Facebook.
lifewithryan@monkeyben I hate having the only source of info for something be Facebook…
Yeah. I only read and don't interact on Facebook groups anymore. They are horribly unusable as well as dodgy.
AmgineThe correct response, IMO, is to require F******k to meet the exact same requirements.
If they cannot, firewall ‘em.
At the very least this would add corporate sponsorship to open source anti-censorship efforts.
Offbeatmammal@Amgine @monkeyben Facebook and their ilk can afford lobbyists and any fines are meaningless given their corporate structures. The only reason these laws exist is that it benefits them more in the long term than not. No politician is going to risk crossing Facebook and risk subtle de-emphasis of their content and reach...
You are undoubtedly correct. So you are saying the UK is already an oligarchy indistinguishable from feudalism. And you have not rebelled yet.
@Amgine @monkeyben I failed to rebel, I left. And then after a dozen years in the US I have left there. Sadly my new antipodean home is also infected by politicians who wear different colour ties but are otherwise indistinguishable from each other but equally adept at listening to lobbyists rather than their constituents.
I am becoming more impressed with #Aus, and more disappointed with #NZ, the more closely I watch. Clearly #Australia’s #ElectoralReform is having the intended effects, but the govt is also under targeted pressure from the #bazillionaires.
Likely the rich will win.
It’s what happened in NZ.
@Amgine @monkeyben if it were not for Brexit we'd probably have left the US for either FR or AT but as I already had citizenship here in Australia it was an easier move. I suspect everywhere has its pros and cons, but billionaires only profit from enshitification so I try to be happy where I am and limit what little money I can from going there way
Ditto. I am working on my French, though. And eyeing sailboats.
Okay, that’s not quite fair. I have been eyeing the sailboats for decades. But my partner is more interested now, too.
@Amgine @monkeyben life as a pirate! My French is terribly rusty, I spent summers with my grandparents in the Alps Maritime but that was *cough* decades ago. My family, with the exception of me, do speak good German, hence glances at Austria. Right now dreaming of a small property with clean water and space for solar and a reasonable garden. Oh and fast internet!
I was thinking more a vagabond life - I have sailed cross oceans. It’s not *fun*, per se, but it is one more exit option.
Besides, a sailboat with a lowering mast, lifting keel, and the canals of Europe! One can go from the Med to the Baltic w/o ever touching the Atlantic… or cross it to explore Río de la Plata, Caribbean… a traveller’s life for me!
Raj 🇬🇧🇪🇺💻🖥️ (🌻🇺🇦)@monkeyben Yabbut CHILDREN.
Cabbidges@realcainmosni @monkeyben
just wait for PREVENTATIVE HEALTH, shoehorn issues that aren't really anything about what they say they are about.
just wait for PREVENTATIVE HEALTH, shoehorn issues that aren't really anything about what they say they are about.
Nini@monkeyben Guess that was the whole goal of this bill, to guide small groups into non-existence or requiring doing a deal with the devils of big tech.
Elric@monkeyben I'm sure the many children discussing Renault EVs will be all the safer for it.
Sigh. What a shitshow.
Rastal@monkeyben
1. Everyone built cool niche websites using basic html about some topic they loved, motive: share/discover
2. Social media gets normies online and with Netflix becomes the entire internet for most people, algorithms serve them all content, ads proliferate, motive: get likes
3. Google search limits results to social media, stymies critical thinking. Grok tells users what's true. Nobody owns a website anymore. Ads are the internet. Corporate websites close. Tech bros own all the data
afreytes 🇵🇷 ☭@monkeyben It's almost like that was the plan... all along!
MostlyTato@monkeyben
As far as I can tell, this is exactly the intent of the bill: to shut down independent sites and forums and force everyone onto big social media whilst also forcing them to confirm their ID too. If you want to be online, then you must use Facebook and twitter etc.
Eventually, whilst it won't be mandatory to have a Facebook account, you'll be severely impaired if you don't.
As far as I can tell, this is exactly the intent of the bill: to shut down independent sites and forums and force everyone onto big social media whilst also forcing them to confirm their ID too. If you want to be online, then you must use Facebook and twitter etc.
Eventually, whilst it won't be mandatory to have a Facebook account, you'll be severely impaired if you don't.
And sensible people will shun the Internet and do fun things in meat space.
@monkeyben
I'm kind of doing my best to move back towards that. Trouble is, you are forced to do everything online whether you want to or not. No app? No appointment. No online account? Can't pay. They will ultimately be forcing people online, telling them what to use and outlawing anonymity.
I'm kind of doing my best to move back towards that. Trouble is, you are forced to do everything online whether you want to or not. No app? No appointment. No online account? Can't pay. They will ultimately be forcing people online, telling them what to use and outlawing anonymity.
Oh yeah, they have sewn up that side of life. I meant more on the social side, like actually meeting up with friends for a coffee and walks in nature etc.
狐ヴィクシー@monkeyben Facebook enables genocide.
Kyle Memoir 🍉It's the anti-net.
It's more efforts to make it easier to surveil people and take away freedom.
F4GRX Sébastien
craignicol@monkeyben I understand exactly why small groups are doing that. Do we know how much Nick Clegg and his former employer briefed the government on this legislation?
I think Clegg might be against it.
@monkeyben This is absolutely disgusting.
@monkeyben By the way, https://mstdn.ca/@Linux/114899148717382605
Linux Is Best (@Linux@mstdn.ca)
As a Meta employee, I can honestly tell you what we know, and I do not know how we obtain all of it. * Your full name * Your full home address * Your phone number * Your e-mail * Your government ID * Your consumer report history * The name of every family member * The name of every friend * The name of their family / friends * Your marital status * If you are faithful to your partner * Your work history (all of it) * Your education history (all of it) * Your travel history (going back years) * Your birth gender * Your gender ID * Your sexuality * Your sexual preferences * How often you're having sex * Your partner's details (all the above) * Your political ideology * Your involvement with any group * If you protest, we know * If you're unhappy, we know The amount of information we collect on you is insane. And we do it all for supposedly marketing and yes, we help the government since they have access to all this too. So when someone says they want to avoid META or GOOGLE - respect.
HowToPhil (Phillip R)@monkeyben FFS, politicians the world 'round need to ask actual experts before doing shit
Jigme Datse@monkeyben That's right fucked... I've never had a "safety" problem from any site that wasn't either, "inherently questionable" or Facebook/Twitter. And probably far more so the latter than the former.
I never had problems with any website that had their own forums back in the day. The admins and mods were usually volunteers that were passionate and knowledgeable on the forum subject and moderated well. Facebook is moderated by algorithms and poor people in other countries getting crappy pay with no knowledge of the forum subject.
Maddie’s All Sorted@monkeyben “But this is not goodbye! Please see our decision below that is in fact goodbye.”
Too true!