If you have #ADHD, you are probably bitterly familiar with the Wall of Awful — the feeling when you *want* to do a thing, but you just *cannot* get yourself to actually *do* it. The thing you want is behind a wall of negative emotions, and anytime you even get close to it you get overwhelmed or panic.

My interest in electronics has been behind my Wall of Awful for years now. I've been staring at these damn things for weeks and struggling to get myself to do *absolutely anything* with them.

Last week I got as far as wiring up the LCD. Then I started trying to figure out how to communicate with the damn thing, began reading the datasheet, and became overwhelmed with anxiety. Like, almost panicking. I'm still trying to unpack what the fuck that means.

I literally just realized that using an Uno is a bad idea since it runs at 5 V and the LCD is 3.3 V 🤦🏻‍♀️

I guess it's a good thing I didn't make any further progress lol

Okay, I found an Adafruit Feather board, got the board installed in the Arduino IDE, and flashed Blinky to the board.

So now I'm back to where I was before — mainly, being kind of overwhelmed, uncertain where to start, and lacking confidence in myself lol

@malcircuit I feel so seen, lol. My real job is in embedded IOT radios, so I have an excuse.

My biggest home project was a LED pedestal that..brightens in three different colors. I have like a half dozen RaspPis and a couple Pi zero 2Ws just sitting there.
And like 3 20% complete Python projects. 😄

@hendric Yeah, that's why I'm glad I got into astrophotography. It leverages my technical knowledge, but is different enough that it doesn't feel like I'm just doing more work at home.

That being said, I still like to play around with electronics from time to time. Just seems like whenever I try to start anything I lock up. So I'm stuck in a loop where I get motivated to work on something, can't do it, and just end up thinking about it all night while sulking in frustration.

@malcircuit Yeah you already have a perfectly fine hobby! 🙂
@malcircuit I’d say try just initializing the LCD to a solid color first, something easy to verify visually.

Also, do you have #ADHD and feel bad about having a bunch of unfinished projects, abandoned hobbies, unread books, etc.?

Yeah, you should stop that.

You have a neurological bias toward novelty and poor executive function. You're probably using up all your self-control to do the things you need to get done like work, chores, and errands.

As long as you aren't digging yourself into a financial hole, cut yourself some slack with the stuff you do for fun. It's gonna be messy, and that's okay.

@malcircuit Yes! I spent years berating myself (and still sometimes do), but I've found ways to mitigate my disaster to some extent and forgive myself.

I gave a 5-minute talk a couple of years ago that some fellow #ADHD folks said was helpful. Sharing it in hopes someone else finds it beneficial. YMMV.

If you have any techniques that have helped you with these challenges, I'd love to hear them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcjpfUx1_o&t=1809

Lightning Talks Day Two with Kojo Idrissa

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@jack Great talk!

And OMG I loooooove huskies 

@malcircuit We meant to get a small, short-haired dog 😂

But a friend of ours had accidental pups, so we went to "just see the puppies" ...

... and came home with #LadyDuchess 😁

Maybe the best spur-of-the-moment decision of my life.

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Here are some of my favorite puppy pics. How could we not fall in love? 😍

@malcircuit

I feel like I have been put on blast and now visible from space...

@malcircuit Thank you for the useful term #WallOfAwful I was not aware of. I know the feeling but I don't think I have #ADHD.

I just searched the web for this term and read that it affects people on the autistic spectrum, too.

How does it relate to #procrastination, something most creative people, students and white-collar workers seem to grapple with? Is it basically the same but worse?

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@[email protected] the closest analogy I've heard is: put your hand on the hot stove burner. Just do it. You're physically capable of doing that, right? So just do it. Your brain won't "let you"? Hmmm, sounds fake, stop procrastinating. Except, random tasks become hot burners, like responding to that email or doing the laundry. Pushing to try to do a hot burner task feels similar to trying to convince my brain to move my hand to a hot stove.

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@chpietsch @malcircuit struggling with task initiation (or completion) can translate as procrastination - may be largely a semantic difference with one pointing to a physical limitation and the other implying a level of choice.

@chpietsch @malcircuit thank you for pointing this out. Both of you. I'm in that picture.
Neither ADHD nor Autism officially diagnosed but Therapists have pointed towards autism in the past and I guess I can say I'm not bad at masking.

Need to read up on this, as I'm still trying to figure out how to fix a lot of things and "The Wall of Awful" perfectly describes A LOT of the things I've researched a lot about but never made the step to actually DO that or invest more then a halfway focused night into, incl. A lot of things that would make my job A LOT better.

@fellmoon @chpietsch

This is where I first learned about the Wall of Awful

https://youtu.be/Uo08uS904Rg

Why Is It So Hard to Do Something That Should Be Easy? (Wall of Awful pt. 1)

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@chpietsch @malcircuit I've heard it put that procrastination is when you choose to defer doing something you don't want to do, but that WallOfAwful thing is when you can't do something you really want to do. They may look the same from the outside, but inside they are totally different.

@joshsusser @chpietsch

Yeah, the Wall of Awful is like procrastination on steroids. Having a Wall of Awful means there are enough negative emotions associated with Doing The Thing that it triggers your fight/flight/freeze response.

In my experience of procrastination, I can usually use logic/self-talk or a simple trick (treats, etc.) to get myself to do the thing. Dealing with a Wall of Awful takes emotional work.

@malcircuit @joshsusser I find your explanations very helpful. Many thanks to both of you!

@malcircuit It wasn't until I was probably 40 that I realized it isn't just "OK". It's a *huge advantage* to be continually starting new things. Every one of those projects adds some points to entries on your LIfetime Skill Tree.

The N+1th project you start is that much easier than the Nth. You get farther. Also, Project N will come up again in 6 months to 5 years and you'll make more progress again.

Think about how much better you are at electronics than you were 10 years ago. Or when you were 12.

@malcircuit

It is such a relief to know I am not the only one, and it isn't just a character flaw!

I still remember and cherish the memory of how I felt years after spending big-for-me money on yarn and knitting patterns that sat in a bag, for years, when I finally picked up one of the projects, worked on it, and finished it. Then completed the second one! It felt amazing, and wonderful!

I still have so many unstarted as well as unfinished projects. Just ideas in head, materials saved, found, scrounged, thrifted or purchased, waiting for magic wave of umph to start or continue.

Those 2 finished projects feed the hope that some day I will pick up the unfinished, unstarted, and complete them too.

@BrambleBearWhuffling @malcircuit
One of the things that I’ve learned about myself over the years is that I will work like a beaver on my projects when there are other folks around me. I’ve also primarily focussed on #sewing my own clothing for a half dozen years now and amazingly, I now wear an almost entirely #MeMade wardrobe. A lot of that is thanks to sewing classes, sew days, and online maker times. #BodyDouble magic!
#ADHD

@EllenInEdmonton @malcircuit

Huh, that is interesting. I am the opposite. I don't focus well when other people are around, at least other people I know. I need to be alone to get stuff done.

@BrambleBearWhuffling @malcircuit
Yeah, we’re all unique. The trick is to figure out how.

@EllenInEdmonton @malcircuit

Part of me wishes I had known this decades ago. Better late than never, though, I guess.

@BrambleBearWhuffling @malcircuit
I’ve needed to be alone in a quiet place to do work-work for a very long time. Working in a massive open workspace was a hideous experience for the 3 years I did it. As a part-timer, I had the option of WFH which I used.
But, for creative work, I need the energy of other people in my vicinity. That’s also been true for a very long time.
@malcircuit some of them could help me dig OUT of the hole, but I'm too busy digging somewhere else :'(
@malcircuit (also traditional shoutout to hal)
@malcircuit but what if I don't have ADHD? 😬

@malcircuit

Thank you. This was actually very helpful.

@malcircuit worse yet, i'm not doing anything at all and i STILL can't pay attention to whatever.
@malcircuit Hellllll yeah!! I'm #AuDHD with a brain injury! I'm the one who's like, "You guys can function?!" 
@malcircuit I have a huge number of projects that are about 80-90% done, but I can't get myself to do the last bits, especially since they work somehow in an awkward manner.
@malcircuit totally relatable. when i first read your thing, i read "stop that" like stop with the unfinished projects. i was like yeah ​:sob:​ then second time through i realised you meant stop feeling bad. i think? unfortunately i got autism too which tells me no matter how crazy i think something is, theres someone out there that assumes its totally normal. so really one can never assume haha
@malcircuit no, I don’t feel bad right now, because I’m busy prepping a future unfinished project, and projects always feel good before you loose interest and leave them unfinished! XD
@malcircuit I understand and appreciate your advice, but also I want finished stuff.
@malcircuit
Does tired count? Despite being tired too often, when I'm not, and sit myself down to accomplish something, I get hit with a wave of tired and brain fog making me unable to even think. But then suspiciously I find that I can play a video game. 

@murdoc That might be the Wall of Awful, or it might be that you're just bored. Kind of comes down to whether or not that tiredness and brain fog are because of negative emotions. Basically, if you are getting tired because you're putting a lot of mental effort into suppressing the bad feels, versus getting tired because it's just not interesting.

The point of the Wall of Awful is that you actually *want* to do the thing — as in, it's not a chore or another thing you would ignore if you could.

@murdoc It's hard, because sometimes you can get an idea stuck in your head that you *should* want to do the thing, which isn't the same thing as actually wanting to do the thing. It might be that you're trying to force yourself to do something you've actually lost interest in (if only temporarily). I know from experience how mentally taxing thinking like that can be.
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*Want* to do yes, but there is a noticeable difference between the initial purely conceptual-creative stage and the later "it's more like work" stage. Often I can ride the momentum of the first stage for a while to get work done, but if it takes too long to finish I run out of energy for it. Most often happens with writing, and hence larger projects stall. And I do enjoy the "actual writing" part too, just not as much.

@murdoc That's a common ADHD problem, and part of the issue with my hobby. I want to be able to mess around with electronics, but that usually requires me to do a bunch of stuff I don't want to do, like reading docs and being frustrated when things don't work.

The strategy I hear the most often (and what I'm trying at the moment), is to break things down into as small of chunks as you can. It's easy to get overwhelmed thinking about doing the entire thing. Make small, easy to achieve goals.

@murdoc It's also worth considering if there is anything you can do to make the boring aspects easier to do, or if possible, to eliminate entirely.
@malcircuit
Yeah, I've heard of that strategy. Still working on figuring out how to work it in practice. You mentioning should put in on my mind a little more though, so thanks.

@malcircuit @pathfinder Entirely relatable. I, too, also have, among other things behind my Wall of Awful, electronics projects lying fallow.

And I enjoy electronics now. It's the dealing with powering them that sometimes makes me frustrated but that's neither he nor there.

@malcircuit I have an entire Basement Corner of Awful, blocked by that wall. What’s worse is that the wall didn’t used to be there at all… but these days nearly every one of my former hobbies is blocked by it.
@gregly Same. I have a bunch of barely started projects and a few remnants of dead hobbies sitting around all over the place, mocking me. I'm slowly working to get rid of the wall, but some of those bricks are really stuck in there lol
@malcircuit Barely-started projects aren’t so bad for me, it’s the ones that got *just* far enough to hit that “I’ve put a fair amount of effort and/or money into this but have run up against an obstacle” point that are the problem. 😅
@gregly Oh, I've got a few of those too 😅
@gregly There are few boxes in my workspace that are full of parts from Digikey or random boards from AliExpress that I got for experimentation or prototyping. Just gotta get to that annoying step of actually doing something with all that crap lol

@gregly I have a box with 6 square LED matrices (and a few of the aforementioned iCEBreaker FPGAs) with the intent to build an LED cube, but buying that stuff was as far as I got. That's definitely a sore spot to think about.

God, now you got me mentally inventorying all of my failed, stalled, or unstarted projects lol

That's why I've been trying to figure out this LCD thing. It's a small project but I'm hoping it might loosen up the mental rust enough to get the wheels turning again.

@malcircuit Ah, I’m sorry! But I sympathize. I have a nearly-finished MPCNC (“mostly-printed CNC”) in my garage, taking up space, not to mention drawers and drawers of various components collected over the years.
@malcircuit yup. I'm in exactly the same place. Hoping to get some enthusiasm soon.
@keytarwolf @malcircuit I read "enthusiasm" and something resonated with me regarding that.

I have a slightly different problem than (what I understood) Mallory has, and I would like to know if there's more people in the same boat as me:

I'm very attracted to novelty, up to the point that I've gathered a small collection of electronic components and other stuff useful to do personal projects. I see something cool (eg: an external board with an array of 8 relays to control stuff), buy it impulsively, and... just stash it somewhere. When I have the free time, after having been working all week and feeling mentally exhausted, I don't actually have the energy to thing about what cool stuff I could do. It's not "fear I won't be able to finish" (well, I also have that, but it doesn't stop me as much), just a general lack of energy and ideas... until it's Sunday 22:00, the weekend is finishing, and then I have the urge to do the interesting stuff (but have no time).

However, if I'm around people doing cool stuff (such as in CCC, or around cool people in general), my motivation awakes and suddenly I want to do cool stuff as well. I feel like a vampire that feeds from other people's motivation.

Is is something that happens to other people? Do you need a "catalyst" (be it a place or a person) to have the motivation to do your personal projects?
@cinnamon @malcircuit for sure having a catalyst helps a lot. If I'm making something for someone or for an event on a specific date, that gives me motivation to finish things.
@malcircuit
Such a good topic and great to see how different people tackle this! I rely on all the usual time mgmt stuff (sticky notes, sev calendars etc) but no longer berate myself when I miss (word still makes me shudder) DEADLINES.
Also, a skilled friend recently helped me with my terror of "getting it wrong" re hanging art....