@kkarhan
Personally, I prefer smaller and lighter devices.

I remember when tool-free swappable batteries were the norm. The smallest computer Apple ever made at the time was the PowerBook G4 12”. 1.18" thick, 4.6 lbs, 3-hour battery life.

Compare that to my current MacBookPro 14". 0.61” thick, 3.5 lbs, 17-hour battery life. And it's not the thinnest or lightest computer Apple currently makes.

And then there's the cell phones. Current models are bigger than I want. Please let’s not make them even bigger than this by adding in modular battery bays!

And certainly, please let's not make it the law that I don't get to make that choice.

@felyashono You don't need to make devices #thicc|er or heavier just by making them #repairable.

• #Sony's Vaio #P11Z did have a toolfree-removeable battery yet it was less than 15mm thick and weighted ~560g with the standard battery and even <750g with an obscenely thicc aftermarket battery.

• #Fairphone's devices are just as #thinn as any other #smartphone, yet they offer toolfree replaceable batteries!

• #rectangular / #prismatic cells exist. Just because you rarely see them compared to 14500/18650/21700 cylinders but that doesn't mean they ain't available.

• if #Framework didn't decide to go with a *"pan"-style design, they could've made their flat #battery toolfree-swappable just as the Aforementioned VAIO.

There are other ways to make a device thinner and lighter, ranging from Magnesium to fiber reinforced plastic to carbon fiber. Some #ThinkPad|s did all 3.

• Not to mention sticking batteries in makes replacements unnecessary dangerous and can yield users to not replace "#DangerPillow|s" until they crack the housong or most likely the screen.

Also most of the gains in terms of battery runtime are attributeabke to better battery chemistry, higher grade cells by modern standards and lower power consumption by smaller process nodes (65nm @ 1,5V -> 7nm @ 0,85V can basically reduce power by 90% without any tricks!) and more powerful chips that more dynamically switch to low power states transparently. (Which is why you often get 4 different TDP ratings on some chips, with nominal, maximum & minimum configureable maximums and typical @ nominal settings)…

• Just compare an #EeePC701 with a #Pi0W2 and you can see the difference...

#AntiRepairDesign is a choice by the manufacturer. #IP68, #ATEX & #MILSTD810 can be achieved without glueing shit together!

@kkarhan

FairPhone 5 / Apple iPhone 16e
Thickness: 9.6mm / 7.87mm (22% more)
Weight: 212g / 165g (28% more)
Battery Capacity: 4200mAh / 3961mAh (6% more)
Battery Life: 18h / 15h (20% more)
[battery life based on corp. marketing]

The non-repairable is thinner and lighter, and that's my point.

I agree with you that gains in battery performance over time are attributable to factors other than size and weight. But the fact remains that building the external enclosure for a battery bay, along with the interface electronics to connect to a modular battery and the external enclosure for the battery cells themselves, adds volume and weight. This datum seems to support that conclusion, and so does common sense.

(I'm disregarding the VAIO p11z because it's 2009 tech, and the netbook was a bizarre class of computer that doesn't correspond to anything I'm familiar with in that era that was non-repairable. Apple never made a netbook.)

@felyashono I still think that the extra weight and thickness is justified for a longer product lifespan, as #RepairableTech will always be cheaper for the #consumer and better for the #envoirment.

• So even if you don't give a shit about the rest of the world, paying like €50 for a #battery that takes mere seconds to replace vs. €200+ on an iPhone that takes about a quarter hour depending on how busy a store is and how diligent the technicians are, that'll certainly impact you 1-2 years down the line unless you are the kind of "rich asshole consumer" who threats $1k+ devices as disposable electronics.

#Apple could make shit even lighter if they set it in aerogel or resin or used "#Thinkpadnium" plastics, but then they couldn't even overcharge people on displays which - like batteries - they #DRM'd the shit out of.

• Would it make Apple's devices heavier if they didn't glue the shit out of everything? Propably not as they are able to shove two dozen different screws inside just to complicate repairs and maximize personnel hours needed for swapping parts like charging port, battery, camera and screen...