Much of the Signal discussion is overlooking a key point: an entire apartment building was leveled to kill one guy.

How many civilians died? Is this a war crime?

The religious language—“prayer,” “God bless,” “Godspeed to our Warriors”—makes it all the more revolting, like a game of Battleship from the safety of a church basement.

@chasewnelson LARPing a modern-day Crusades has been a fever dream of christian nationalists since the Reagan years. The ugly adventurism in Iraq and Afghanistan ramped it way up and here we are.

All this is missing is the CNN video clips of drone and guided missile strikes.

@chasewnelson It should be treated as a war crime. But the USA is never held accountable.
@mlmartens @chasewnelson it is the literal law of the United States that if you try to arrest anyone from the US or an allied country for war crimes, the US military will warcrine you.
@chasewnelson "war crime" implies there's a war. nobody declared any war. i just call it mass murder, done in the name of capitalism and white christian supremacy.

@matildalove @chasewnelson

You could also call it terrorism. It was a choice to inflict terror on 57 families and neighbors to kill one man.

Terror to change political will...

@matildalove @chasewnelson “Peacetime atrocity” is a term I throw around to describe egregious violations of human rights during peacetime. I have used it to refer to things from police brutality to the banning of abortions in America, but I suppose it should also apply to the everyday violence of imperialism.
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cf. "where's daddy" Israel programme to specifically maximise civilian casualties, completely against human rights law https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ #wheresdaddy 1/2

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@chasewnelson report I saw said 53 dead, which seems likely when you level an apartment building.
@chasewnelson Mark Twain had something to say about fucks like that, and it wasn't very nice.
@chasewnelson but if it's a war crime then Israel is also guilty for doing the same thing to kill the leader of Hezbollah and it would be antisemitic to even imply that

@chasewnelson lots, yes, same as every Israeli strike.

America has been ok with committing war crimes, wholesale, since *checks notes* the Hague Conventions were signed in 1899

@chasewnelson

Of course it's a war crime, but not like the US ever cared when it comes to protecting the interests of its oligarchs.

@chasewnelson Mark Twain was complaining about this type of behaviour in America over 100 years ago in his short story “The War Prayer” https://warprayer.org
The War Prayer

by Mark Twain

The War Prayer
@chasewnelson This kind of thing is far from unprecedented.
@chasewnelson Exactly what I was thinking about!!
@chasewnelson I don't want to be part of any organization that thinks their deity enjoys the killing of innocent bystanders.

@chasewnelson
this is standard operation mode for the likes of the USA, Israel and Russia.
interestingly, the yellow peril from which we must be protected at all costs (especially truth, facts and transparency) does not have a history of doing this.

I wonder why it has taken the second trump term and this incident on Signal for people to realise the USA is a predator, not a saviour.

@PetraPanda @chasewnelson

Nope the left has been shouting this for decades.

And I wouldn't point out that China doesn't have a history of bombing civilians. China has plenty of blood on their hands, whenever they get hold of new territory and the occupied country is unhappy about it.

@silkester @chasewnelson
True Tiananmen, Tibet etc.
Since I've been interested in geo politics, however, the US has intervened with weapons and or soldiers just about continuously in Latin/Central America, Africa, middle-East, Asia.
And yes, the left in the US is decrying it, but like the left in Australia. It is a vanishing minority.
As for Australia, there are centre right parties in Europe that are more leftist than the left faction of our (ostensibly leftish) Labor party.
@chasewnelson what everyone is missing here is that JD and co are anti Europe but they use a European chat service because they know their stuff isn’t trustworthy. Use your own platforms to commit war crimes please.

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On the left side, there are three messages. The first message is from "JD Vance" at 12:13 P.M., stating, "I will say a prayer for victory." The second message, marked as "New" with an exclamation mark, is from "Michael Waltz" at 1:48 P.M., stating, "VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID of Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job." The third message, also marked as "New," is from "JD Vance" at 2:01 P.M., saying, "Excellent."

On the right side, there are four messages. The first message, marked as "New" with two exclamation marks, is from "Michael Waltz" at 2:00 P.M., stating, "Typing too fast. The first target - their top missile guy - we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend's building and it's now collapsed." The second message is from "3D Vance" at 2:01 P.M., saying, "Excellent." The third message is from "John Ratcliffe" at 2:36 P.M., stating, "A good start." The fourth message is from "Michael Waltz" at 4:58 P.M., with emojis of a fist, an American flag, and a fire.

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@chasewnelson meanwhile like in Ars technica forums, so called educated American normies... "China is building military capability is because they are planning to kill tons of people.". Just like their MAGA cousins, uncles and aunties etc, what they fear mongers & say is a confession of what they want America to do.
@htpcnz @chasewnelson two wrongs don't make a right, and there are no "nice" great powers in 2025, if there ever was such a thing. If you think your nearest great power is bad so the one far away must be peaceful, I suggest looking at the right wingers who idolise Russia as a mirror.
@chasewnelson - there is one more aspect of that chat that is vile: the contempt towards Europe and the push to get Europeans (the EU?) to cover the cost of this attack. Houthis started attacking shipping in the Red Sea over a year ago because of Israel bombing Gaza. 4 sailors are known to be dead. From Houthis' point of view this is primarily an anti-Israel operation. Trump's government bombs a civilian building in Yemen and wants Europeans to pay for the bombs and jet fuel. WTF?

@chasewnelson

"My saunter began in the garden, just a few misplaced parts there. I couldn't really tell what they were, so I just walked through the broken door to the front room.

And there it was. That head. As a misplaced ornament upon the armchair. And then looking down I saw the infants body and my knees slightly buckled. I had seen much horror, the body parts of children were a daily chore, but this body was just a little too intact. I could tell where the neck used to attach both.

And since then I cannot be human.

For I had fired the rocket that destroyed them.

For the good of all mankind."
SearingTruth

@chasewnelson

That's why when the US attacks another nation or "terrorist" abroad they don't show images, just like most of Bibis horror in Palestine is mostly under veil of media black out.

The US learned that their onslaughts are not sustainable if the world is witnessing the human cost that comes with it.

@chasewnelson It's difficult to type fast with one hand.

@chasewnelson "God is always on the side of the white people."

They've made god in their own image.

@chasewnelson People on a receiving end of that attack decided to do a thing that is very unpopular among the countries that rely on Suez canal. Maybe they should reconsider their foreign policy of harassing every single ship in the red sea to not getting bombed.
@chasewnelson concur. Even as a junior (now retired) Marine and lifelong agnostic/borderline atheist I could never quite get square why the sky captains could justify their all-powerful creator picking our killing machine over the other poor bastard’s killing machine.
@chasewnelson
Maybe they’ve not played enough during their childhood. 🏎️✈️
@chasewnelson
What did you think was happening with those old news reports of drone strikes 'mistakenly' blowing up wedding parties?
@faduda @chasewnelson Ah, the circular firing squad. And just in time.

@chasewnelson >an entire apartment building was leveled to kill one guy.

Same thing the Israelis are doing in Gaza. If they track the phone of someone they want to kill into a building, they bomb the building. The USA seems to admire Israel's tactics.

All empires are based on collective punishment. You cannot have an empire without it.

@chasewnelson Much of your reasoning is overlooking a key point: they conducted a military operation on foreign soil at a whim, with zero consequences. Is US at war? Since when? Why the hell even the inquisitive minds like you just accept that as a normal things for a country to do as long as it is US is the real question here. Debating exact language they use as they commit another war crime reads like bashing SS for how distasteful their uniform was.
@chasewnelson I guess Israel managed to normalise this procedure.
@chasewnelson When everyone, including the so-called "good" Christians, realizes the true immorality that goes with thousands year old morality, maybe we can prevent those condemned to suffer and die. Hitchens pointed it out with the snake, Mother Theresa. Know your enemy folks. Authoritarianism is immoral, whether the leader is a real person or your pet imaginary deity....
@chasewnelson That's so sad. I feel so bad for the relatives that have to live through the consequences of the US's constant impunity.