So remember how a few days ago I shared this official Starlink document that just casually mentions that they found a piece of a Starlink satellite on a farm in Saskatchewan? https://www.starlink.com/public-files/Starlink_Approach_to_Satellite_Demisability.pdf

I had really convinced myself it must be some kind of chatgpt gobbledygook. But... a reliable source confirmed that this really happened.

SpaceX dropped potentially lethal debris from TWO DIFFERENT SPACECRAFT onto Saskatchewan within 6 months. And as far as I can tell, they just waltzed in and picked up the second piece without anyone official knowing about it. This is a very big problem for a lot of obvious legal reasons.

It mostly terrifies me because there are 7,000 Starlinks, and if each one leaves behind debris after demise, that's... a lot.

Why Saskatchewan?

1) It's big, and flat, and a large percentage of the area is monoculture crops in giant fields, that get driven over by giant machines twice a year. The first spacecraft pieces were found at seeding time, the second at harvest.

2) Due to the orbits that have been chosen and simple geometry, we're under the densest band of satellites. (This is true everywhere ~50-54 latitude N and S)

It's not necessarily that we're getting hit by more, just finding them ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

So...this is pretty obviously a very big problem.

First news article about it is here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2472334-starlink-satellite-part-hit-a-canadian-farm-when-it-fell-from-orbit/
(of COURSE it ends with "SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment")

Non-paywalled version: https://archive.ph/5ZljY

Hoping a few more journalists will want to write about this, and hopefully that will nudge some people in the Canadian government to be more concerned about an American billionaire dropping potentially lethal junk on us?

Starlink satellite part hit a Canadian farm when it fell from orbit

A failed launch left a batch of Starlink satellites in the wrong orbit last year, and it appears that a fragment of one fell to Earth and hit a farm in Canada. Thankfully, no one was injured

New Scientist
Muting this thread now because the mansplaining is going exponential. Thanks for reading.
@sundogplanets Looks like Anita Anand is the new minister for Innovation, Science and Industry, so presumably this would be her file?
@sundogplanets Any reason why the space junk keeps hitting Saskatchewan? EDIT: Oops, sorry, just saw that's in your next post.
Also glad to see the New Scientist is referring to the Gulf of Mexico as such.

@sundogplanets He's Canadian and South African too. He has multiple nationalities, and personalities. He is an evil person and astronomically speaking, a polluter.

If Starlink does nothing else, it should wake up the space community to create regulations for the launch, maintenance, and destruction of satellites.

@RegGuy @sundogplanets DARPA had a Sumo project. I wonder if it got scrapped because nobody cares about garbage.
@sundogplanets If only there was a tariff on importing space jump from orbit ...
@sundogplanets Glad you're covering this. I've started calling them Musk droppings: https://buttondown.com/creativegood/archive/you-might-get-hit-by-musk-droppings-but-theres/
You might get hit by "Musk droppings," but there's still reason for hope

One of my favorite places in the world is Providenciales, part of the Turks & Caicos Islands. The Caribbean water, a brilliant shade of turquoise, laps on...

Creative Good
@sundogplanets someone contact Mark Mothersbaugh and get a few more locations added to the list in "Space Junk" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2dcVIEQwEE
Space Junk (2009 Remaster)

YouTube
@sundogplanets He should be fined 1 billion (or more) every time that happens. To cover liability and cleanup costs.
@sundogplanets I have looked into it and it seems for now death from Elon's trash in the head is very improbable, however giving the trends at some point we could have millions of tons of garbage over our heads. Also that experimental starship has failed two times in the recent months and it's a much bigger piece of junk
@sundogplanets slightly disturbed to find so is NW England where I am.
@vrsimility @sundogplanets
That's pretty much the latitude of the Netherlands
@sundogplanets Yeesh on how many satellites that is.
@ai6yr It's in the alt-text: this plot is 65,000 sats on the orbits proposed by 4 companies as of 2022
@sundogplanets Ah, that band includes the Netherlands (and explains the debris in Poland too)

@sundogplanets

Um.
Netherlands: 52 N
Right in the zone.
Very high population density.

@CelloMomOnCars @sundogplanets Yes
The Netherlands is very densely populated and at 52 N. It ismuch smaller but only about 15 x smaller than Saskatchewan. So in 10 years or so we may expect a hit here!
'SpaceX debris' discovered on Australian farm

The Australian Space Agency has confirmed that pieces of debris found scattered across remote paddocks in southeastern Australia last month were part of a SpaceX mission.

NBC News

@michael_w_busch @sundogplanets

Oh my.
They said "as big as a pickup truck" and here is the visual.
(And that's only part of it too)

@sundogplanets Major cities (like London) are also in this band: ๐Ÿ˜จ

@sundogplanets

Exactlyโ€ฆ if a piece of a satellite were to drop 50 km easy of Red Lake ON, who would find it amongst the scrub forest and muskeg?

@sundogplanets We need a dislike button. ๐Ÿ˜“
@sundogplanets "Move fast and break things" in a literal sense here
@sundogplanets they are at 250km altitude, I wonder how hard that would be to reach to "help" them deorbit into the ocean
@sundogplanets *sigh* It'll take a chunk of debris hitting a city to get people to pay attention. I wish we could learn some other way.
@jmax @sundogplanets Nah. They'll blame that on Palestinians and disappear a bunch of random leftists.
@sundogplanets The risk of an orbiting Starlink sat having debris that reaches the ground is small. Known incidents are from failed launches, not deorbits. That doesn't mean it's not a concern, just not worth losing sleep over.
@sundogplanets
At some point those five-plus satellites dropping per day will stop missing people.
@sundogplanets No empathy, remember? Empathy is the enemy of the people ๐Ÿ™„
@sundogplanets same happend in Poland a few weeks ago, some hydrogen tanks fell on someoneโ€™s property and in nearby forest
@sundogplanets I live in saskatchewan. This was some distance from me but I can confirm it is true.

@sundogplanets
Most people think satellites burn up completely in orbit. They mostly do, but sometimes pieces make landfall. That's obviously a problem. But the aluminum and other toxic materials that burn up are also a problem.

There has to be a solution, and we need to force aerospace companies to find and adopt them.

Orrrr we could fund the space program, and tell private aerospace companies to fuck off

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@cy @sundogplanets

Government spacecraft have the same problems. Whether or not private companies should be launching spacecraft is a separate issue.

The government doesn't have to force the government to find and adopt safe launch practices. We just find and adopt them.

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@sundogplanets
Breaking news : Starlink debris alleged to be the origin of recent Los Angeles winter fires.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/california-wildfires-los-angeles-weather/?id=117613594

California fires updates: Death toll in Los Angeles fires rises to 29

The additional fatality was attributed to the Palisades Fire, officials said.

ABC News
@franebleu @sundogplanets Oh god I hadnโ€™t considered that angle. BC already has a big enough forest fire problem without satellite debris starting new ones.

@franebleu @sundogplanets

holy crap

when is musk going to be arrested

@franebleu @sundogplanets I wouldn't doubt it, but it isn't in that article?

@sundogplanets

There are more yet to be discovered.

@sundogplanets Just wait until those things start bumping into one another and the debris field spreads like wild fire!