Trump: "You're gambling with World War III."
History: "WWII started with a right-wing authoritarian leader allying himself with a Russian dictator and agreeing to mutually devour a country on Russia's borders. That's essentially identical to what Trump and Putin are attempting to do now. The way to stop WWII was to hold a dictator in check. The way to prevent WWIII is the same."
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is what I'm referring to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
@bodhipaksa you mean the democratically elected leader, who pointed a countries frustration towards a marginalized group that was minding its own business, and legally convinced the democracy to make him into a fascist dictator who proceeded to murder millions?
something something history something something doomed to repeat something something 😭
@AJ_andrew69 #Alt4you: "We are closer to WW3 under Trump than we ever were under Biden. MAGA is just too brainwashed to realize it."
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@bodhipaksa спасибо.
По вопросу развязывания второй мировой войны именно Гитлером и Сталиным есть много вопросов. В частности, СССР практически последней страной из всей Европы заключила с Германией какой-то договор, знаменитый пакт Молотова-Ребентропа был уже актом отчаяния, когда эту чуму не удавалось остановить.
Немало важным фактом является и время открытия второго фронта, только в тот момент, когда стало понятно, что германия проигорает. И программа лендлиза.
Yea, USSR lost more people than any other country, but no, they didn't defeat fascism alone, they did together with many other countries ...
And today? Today, it is Russia learning from history by re-imposing fascism...
Edit: oh, and btw, the USSR in those days wasn't even led by a Russian, but rather by a Georgian named ... yes, you guessed it, იოსებ სტალინი
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За что ж? ответствуйте: за то ли,
Что на развалинах пылающей Москвы
Мы не признали наглой воли
Того, под кем дрожали вы?
За то ль, что в бездну повалили
Мы тяготеющий над царствами кумир
И нашей кровью искупили
Европы вольность, честь и мир?
@chesheer what do you want to tell me with that? That we don't honor what USSR did in WWII? Or that I had to watch Eastern Germans be shot when trying to cross the wall to Western Germany and let to bleed to death?
I am thankful for what the USSR together with all the Allies did in WWII - freeing Europe from tyranny.
But I also know what the same USSR did in that war and what it kept doing to Eastern Europe until 1990 - and now, Russia doing since then. And no, I won't forget it.
@ics
Вы совершенно верно говорите, СССР освободил от фашизма Европу. Поэтому, для нас Степан Бандера - преступник, а для Украины - герой https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
И этот факт невозможно пересмотреть и изменить.
А Берлинская стена появилась не просто так, ей предшествовал Берлинский кризис 1961 года, и стена возникла как ответ на полную недоговороспособность западной стороны.
@vinnimix The Berlin Wall did not appear, it was built by humans, by people who wanted to oppress others, who saw their people fleeing into freedom, and who'd rather kill their own people (with the tacit or explicit support of the USSR) than let them move to freedom.
Yes, I know Stepan Bandera (the history), and yes, he was a criminal - and that's why Russia wants to kill all Ukrainians now? Children? Women? Men? Everybody??
(and no, it was NOT USSR alone; I don't know how often I have to mention that; it was the Allied Forces, which included USSR - and no, it was NOT Russia)
I mean, you can continue dispersing your Russian propaganda, but what is the difference between Russia as of today and other fascist regime that existed before? Russia has a fascist regime that kills hundreds of thousands of innocent children, women, men, elderly ... Russia doesn't give a fuck about who it kills - the goal is to eradicate Ukraine from the planet's surface and kill everything Ukrainian - the goal is to eradicate Ukrainian culture, values, history, ...
And at home? In Russia? Defenester (or send them to Siberia into gulags) anyone who disagree with The Great Leader, the new Czar - yeah, right ... fuckers!
If the options are between fascist victory and a third world war, I choose WW3.
Complicity, appeasement, and denialism are as responsible for WW2 as any reactionary philosophy & dogmatic eugenics
Those who learn from history are doom to watch those who didn't repeat it
At this point, we're all either fools or Cassandra
WWII started when a fascist tried to annex the neighbours.
Fortunately Germany didn't already have nukes.
The fun fact is that Hitler did the same thing with the president of Czechoslovakia 1939, i.e. meeting with him, Hitler and Göring threatening and yelling at him...
@rmattila74 Absolutely. Hopefully if people follow the link I provided they'll learn that. What I was referring to, though, was the start of the war, which was the invasion of Poland.
It's quite likely Putin's plans extend to invading the Baltic states and Finland, and beyond. And I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has told him he's okay with that.
History repeating...
@bodhipaksa Actually to be correct, Hitler and Stalin have basically divided up Eastern and Central Europe between themselves.
As the joke goes here around, we wonder if we are pencilled in to be part American Europe or Russian Europe. A different kind of ugly dystopia.
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