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dansupGlobal Switch Day. February 1st 2025.
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Andres Jalinton@dansup
Why Signal and not Matrix? 🤔
Spycrab@spycrab
@shipwreckt
Signal is a corporation (yes, it doesn't store your data or messages, so it's kind of safe)
Matrix is a protocol, no one controls it; Like Activity Pub, people can build applications over it, just like
and 
@shipwreckt
Signal is a corporation (yes, it doesn't store your data or messages, so it's kind of safe)
Matrix is a protocol, no one controls it; Like Activity Pub, people can build applications over it, just like
and 
Kyle Döring@Andres @spycrab @[email protected]
It's not just "kind of safe." It's a legitimate means of safe and private communication owned by a non-profit.
Open source code, vetted by the security industry.
You don't have to do hardly any digging to verify all its accolades.
Give their CEO, @Mer__edith , a follow if you're so inclined.
mortn@kyleirl @Andres @spycrab @[email protected] @Mer__edith
While Signal is very promising, and currently very secure, it is not federated services which leaves it vulnerable in case the business model changes, like if the intellectual property of the clients and/or servers would become subject to capitalisation. If so, it would be far from the first time that this happens in the history.
As I just shared in another post I highly recommend giving this a peek: https://www.securemessagingapps.com/
While Signal is very promising, and currently very secure, it is not federated services which leaves it vulnerable in case the business model changes, like if the intellectual property of the clients and/or servers would become subject to capitalisation. If so, it would be far from the first time that this happens in the history.
As I just shared in another post I highly recommend giving this a peek: https://www.securemessagingapps.com/
@mortn @Andres @spycrab @[email protected] @Mer__edith
I hear what you're saying but being alarmist about it is counterproductive to supporting a movement of safe messaging today, in this moment. Especially when there's nothing to be alarmist about other than "but in the future something may could potentially at some point happen!"
There's ('21 as well) movement towards safer and private communication with signal being at that forefront of options and purporting "kinda safe" is just wrong
Kevin Karhan 
@mortn @kyleirl @[email protected] @spycrab @shipwreckt @Mer__edith
@signalapp / #Signal is subject to #CloudAct and thus inherently incompatible with #GDPR & #BDSG!
Signal demands #PII in the form of a #PhoneNumber!
Signal to this day peddles a #Shitcoin named #MobileCoin!
If Signal didn't have a #Govware #Backdoor, it would've been banned and shut down just like #EncroChat and #SkyECC.
Signal is as secure as #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield and #CryptoAG aka. #MINEROVA aka. #Rubikon.
#ToldYaSo guys!
#ProTip: Use #XMPP+#OMEMO!
https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113932376762056036
We Tried Signal's MobileCoin So You Never Have To...
Derek Morr@kyleirl @[email protected] @kkarhan @mortn @Mer__edith @spycrab @signalapp this is disinformation and a conspiracy theory. Signal does not have a back door. Spreading these lies is actively harmful. Stop it.
v0idness@kkarhan @mortn @kyleirl @spycrab @shipwreckt @Mer__edith @signalapp i dont like signal either but its the best we have currently, we dont have anything better, matrix is actual garbage with worse problems than signal imo
Jason Bowen 🇺🇦THANK YOU! Instant follow, lol (if you don't mind).
I've been getting my tech-literate friends to at least install @simplex and exchange a couple of messages.
@jbowen @mortn @kyleirl @spycrab @shipwreckt personally, @simplex sufferd the same #Centralization problem but AFAIK doesn't demand #PII for signups.
@kkarhan @mortn @kyleirl @spycrab @shipwreckt @simplex It's pretty straightforward to set up your own Simplex server: https://simplex.chat/docs/server.html
Woodrow Douglass@kyleirl @Andres @spycrab @shipwreckt @Mer__edith open source code, but no way of proving that that's the same code that's running on your iPhone. If you installed signal from the apple store or the Google play store there is no way to know it's not sending every message to the NSA or something. You also can't be sure the server is running the published source. The problem I have with signal is that all of these wonderful claims are completely unverifiable, and that smells like honey trap.
Matija Nalis@bigfishrunning @kyleirl @Andres @spycrab @shipwreckt @Mer__edith Also, the release .apk app contains not only published open source code, but also proprietary (non-free) binary blobs linked with it, and Signal foundation (or was it just Moxie?) was never OK with people removing those non-free blobs and connecting to their servers (which is why #fdroid FOSS app store could never publish #signal, which is a shame and a reason why many FOSS won't run it. Also, why no #federation ?)
Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] well, @[email protected] too is #proprietary and #centralized and peddles a #Cryptocurrency #Scamcoin named #MobileCoin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M Use #XMPP+#OMEMO (i.e. @[email protected] / #monoclesChat & @[email protected] / #gajim) instead! https://monocles.social/@monocles/113925173206088469 - No #PII (like a #PhoneNumber!) required... https://docs.monocles.eu/account/account/ - Truly #decentralized, #OpenSource, #MultiVendor & #MultiProvider [1](https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv) with *real #E2EE* using *#SelfCustody of all the keys!* #Shitcoin #Signal
Veza85UE
NordicJediMy old ass getting #TechIlliterates migrated to #XMPP+#OMEMO using @monocles / #monoclesChat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0_LTDTCQUY&t=5
[Cutscene] Saints Row The Third: Http://Deckers.Die
Matěj Cepl 🇪🇺 🇨🇿 🇺🇦
guilty indeed@Andres @dansup I want to like Matrix so much but it is still jank bullshit not ready for primetime https://gunbark.dev/@cold/statuses/01JJTW2EES4EPKP5MEFF7R9N45
Post by pull my strings, @[email protected]
every year or so I make an honest run at using #matrix -- I want to like it! I am the target audience. this year it's #Cinny as a client. honestly the best desktop client so far that said, my Cinny install can't see itself as verified by another device -- #Element verification emojis match, ...
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Martin Gleadow@dansup this being the Fediverse, I initially thought this was a networking thing, then a Fet thing, then a Nintendo thing 🤣
mwguy@dansup How good is Frendica? Is it wife/girlfriend ready?
Chris Geoghooligan ✊@mwguy @dansup nah. I am all for it but my wife said “meh”. I joined this month and it’s… fine. But no one I know in real life is on it, there is no mobile app, and the setup can be a little off-putting. The fedi platforms have an incredible opportunity right now to take in a lot of social media refugees, but the ones without apps (friendica, loops, etc) are going to struggle to get traction with a population that is accustomed to convenience.
@VTDARKSIM @dansup Dang. I think I could get my wife and her family off facebook (because they're all a little fed up with it right now). But I'd need a solid replacement for facebook groups as they use to to coordinate family stuff.
@mwguy @dansup I’ve been pushing the fediverse for a while now, but the big 2’s fascist overtures lately have finally radicalized my wife to consider it. She happily joined #pixelfed and has convinced several friends to join.
I think that’s the key. If you/she can get a group to join together, and then they can convince someone else to do so, it will become a more attractive option. It’s the chicken & egg scenario right now.
@VTDARKSIM @dansup This is absolutely a big part of the issue. Additionally it's tough to explain that they need to have an account for Mastadon, Lemmy, Loops, Pixelfed etc... to utilize all the aspects of the fediverse instead of being able to "take you ID with you" across different tools.
@mwguy @dansup absolutely, though I will say I joined #mastodon first, then #pixelfed, then #friendica. Only then did I see I can sign in to the mastodon app with all 3 accounts. I don’t think it’s quite as universally seamless yet (for instance, the pixelfed app has the option to sign in with your mastodon account, but it wouldn’t work for me presumably because my instance hasn’t enabled it?), but I think it’s heading there.
Global Switch!@mwguy @VTDARKSIM @dansup Friendica can do pretty much all the other federated services without other accounts though discovery of people on the others will be more difficult. Groups are a particular weak point. They are kind of buried. It took me a few weeks, even as an IT guy, to realize it had native groups in Friendica. They are not obvious. 'Mouse over' opens up a lot of things which makes mobile less usable. I would like to see an ease of usabilty theme developed with more obvious buttons
irelephant@mwguy @VTDARKSIM @dansup iirc, friendica has groups. Pixelfed and mastodon are both working on adding groups.
@loops has an app in both the Play Store and App Store
@VTDARKSIM @mwguy @dansup @loops oh woops might only still be in test flight?
A.Stringer@VTDARKSIM @mwguy @dansup the first thing I looked up was whether it has an app! As soon as it does I would then be interested
bread@mwguy @breadcattt @dansup yep! I follow my own pixelfed and friendica accounts, as well as my wife on pixelfed!
@breadcattt @mwguy @dansup it appears to be in testing and not ready for widespread use just yet
https://mastodon.social/@kyleirl/113924621817894838
https://mastodon.social/@kyleirl/113924621817894838
Richard A
caos@VTDARKSIM @mwguy There are already a few mobile apps especially for Friendica: #Raccoon and #Relatica . But I have no experience with them, the best is always the web app because it has all the functions. However, I wouldn't really recommend Friendica to people who only want to use it on their smartphone.
Leroy
🌴 Seph 💭 👾@mwguy @dansup Looking at wiki.friendi.ca/docs/groups-an… the answer is yes, but it doesn't look like it's as easy to use as FB Groups by any means.