Last night in the Netherlands: Boy (14) dies, another boy (13) loses hand, dozens need eye surgery, more fine particles emitted than all road vehicles do in a year, €118 million blown up instead of put to use, millions of pets in fear, wildlife disturbed. Private fireworks: great tradition.
Mayor of Rotterdam, where the 14-year old died, calls for national ban on private fireworks, gets lots of support.
https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/roep-om-landelijk-vuurwerkverbod-van-burgemeester-schouten-massaal-gesteund-dit-is-toch-vreselijk~a93853d6/
Roep om landelijk vuurwerkverbod van burgemeester Schouten massaal gesteund: ‘Dit is toch vreselijk’

Na de dood van een 14-jarige jongen in Rotterdam, als gevolg van een tragisch vuurwerkincident, is voor burgemeester Carola Schouten de maat vol: voer een landelijk vuurwerkverbod in. Ze krijgt volop bijval.

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Tweede dodelijk slachtoffer door vuurwerk: man in Tiel overleden na explosie

Een man uit Tiel is woensdag overleden aan zijn verwondingen na een explosie met zwaar vuurwerk op Oudejaarsavond. Hij is de tweede die overlijdt aan de gevolgen van een vuurwerkincident. Eerder kwam een veertienjarige jongen in Rotterdam om het leven.

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Dutch police chief Janny Knol is in favour of a national ban on private fireworks. Opinion polls suggest this is supported by a majority of the people too, but the current coalition sees it as an 'important Dutch tradition'.
https://nos.nl/l/2550288
Korpschef politie: 'Storing bij communicatie leidde tot vervelende incidenten'

Tijdens de nieuwsjaarnacht lag het communicatienetwerk er uren uit.

The Mayors of Amsterdam and Utrecht support the call by the Mayor of Rotterdam and the national police chief for a ban on private fireworks after the deadly event.
PM Schoof was quick to say that won't happen. Because? His coalition doesn't support it. A killer argument. https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/01/01/vuurwerk-is-een-traditie-maar-hoeveel-mag-die-kosten-a4878284
Vuurwerk is een traditie. ‘Maar hoeveel mag die kosten?’

Oud en Nieuw: Na volgens de politie „heftige incidenten” en twee dodelijke slachtoffers door vuurwerk pleiten burgemeesters opnieuw voor een landelijk verbod. Lokale verboden hebben volgens hen niet geleid tot minder incidenten en zijn moeilijk te handhaven.

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@Sustainable2050 Whenever I hear "Dutch tradition" I always think carbid kanon 🙂 As an engineer who has always been a bit of a pyro, I definitely support the idea of a ban on private fireworks.

@PatrickHerd @Sustainable2050 oh, that stuff will be hard to ban since it's an officially recognized tradition. Normal firework isn't.

But you know... Pretty much all incidents with fireworks is from already illegal fireworks. A ban is useless. What are you gonna do? Make it even more illegal?

@PatrickHerd @Sustainable2050 carbid kanons are pretty dope, I can confirm 😁
@diondokter @Sustainable2050 Yeah, I'd definitely go after fireworks before carbid kanons: Kanon requires some technical knowledge and involves significantly more immediate personal risk, kind of works like a combination lock. Better to go after all fireworks as then regardless a person can be arrested for possession or ignition.

@Sustainable2050 Here in Ireland we have probably the strictest laws against private firework purchase and possession in the EU. But huge numbers of people just illegally import them anyway, so it still sounds like a warzone every Hallowe'en and New Year's Eve.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sizeable-increase-in-halloween-night-emergency-calls-on-last-year-paramedics-respond-to-numerous-firework-injuries/a677776085.html

Sizeable increase in Halloween night emergency calls on last year, paramedics respond to numerous firework inj

Dublin Fire Brigade received almost 500 calls to fires and over 400 emergency ambulance calls on Halloween last night, with paramedics also responding to a number of hand and facial injuries caused by fireworks across the capital.

Irish Independent
@Sustainable2050 Seems being an egomanic asshole is popular among these in power as "Important European Tradition" all over Europe. 😕
@Sustainable2050 Wait, that can't be true. Germany had 5 dead from fireworks on New Year's Eve. It's clearly a German tradition!
@Sustainable2050 very good that he gains support for a ban of explosives. We had also a couple of fatalities in Germany, but here the police communicates that several dead and injured equates to a peaceful Silvester.
@Sustainable2050 Private fireworks are banned at Mexico
@Sustainable2050 Yeah. And people complain about the much safer professional public municipal displays. Which cities sometimes, perfectly reasonably, regard as coming out of the "public health" budget rather than the "entertainment" budget.

@Sustainable2050 And what you don't mention, all the people who were cowering in the smallest, closest, more close closet in their house, whimpering and shrieking at every bang and boom.

I was one of them.

(But I'm glad some people had their righteous fun, my mental health doesn't count compared to that.)

@Sustainable2050 Tradition means: it's the fault of previous generations which we like to repeat.
@Sustainable2050 I have never bought or set off fireworks. Nor will I ever
@Sustainable2050 Private fireworks are illegal where I live (Los Angeles, USA)--but thousands of people set them off anyway. The air quality is vile this morning, and I haven't caught up yet with the news re injuries. I'm sure there were plenty; there always are.

@LPerry2 @Sustainable2050 They would really be better off setting up a place for people to light off fireworks.

When I was a kid there were small fireworks, stuff that shot sparks, firecrackers, etc. Now there are large mortar shells and huge bangs going off.

Banning it obviously didn't work.

@mike805 In SoCal, the fireworks trade is run by Mexican drug gangs; it's replacing part of the income lost when marijuana was legalized.
And, if you think about it, can you imagine the liability involved in setting up a place where people can light off fireworks?

@LPerry2 Is that where all those really big fireworks are coming from? I figured people were trucking in the mortar cakes from Nevada or Arizona or Indian reservations.

There seem to be a lot of big bangers that are federally illegal, so Mexico makes sense.

As for liability, we need to bring back the concept of At Your Own Risk. This would apply to fireworks, racetracks for public use, as well as things like tripping on psychedelics. Many things are safer if done in a controlled environment.

@Sustainable2050 I think I'm not allowed to say that in the Netherlands, professional fireworks 🎇 had more severe victims then the public fireworks. #Enschede.
Also not to be said, the alternatives like bonfire 🔥 or 'playing around with the police 🚓' is even worse.

So, I'll be 🤐

@MaSiKa69 @Sustainable2050 I agree with you though. The problem is not fireworks, the problem is that people seize NYE as a time where transgressive ways of having fun go unpunished. Deaths are caused by fireworks which are already illegal. Making "rotjes" illegal is not saving lives and makes us liberal lefties look like the fun police more than we already do.

@MaSiKa69 @Sustainable2050 Also, I think that transgressive rituals like NYE fireworks and bonfires are on a sort of treadmill. If you crack down on one, others will emerge ("waterbedeffect" in 🇳🇱 ). Koningsdag/nacht has become rowdier over the years. Other transgressive dates like Luilak have disappeared from the calendar.

I think this is a kind of stupid you can't fix. But trying will antagonize people.

@reinierl @MaSiKa69 @Sustainable2050 without the transgressive rituals people on average might become more violent during the rest of the year. There is a reason carnivals persist from ancient times.
@mykhaylo @reinierl @Sustainable2050
Interesting thought. Sounds logical to me and does explain why in areas with strict (social) rules, the misbehavior during NYE is a lot more extreme. Like the Biblebelt in NL.
@MaSiKa69 @reinierl @Sustainable2050 I think it’s a common idea in anthropology, and the tradition of dedicating time to abolishing all norms and behaving much more wildly than is allowed during the “normal” time of the year is extremely ancient.
@Sustainable2050 Yes, rituals that highlight the stupidity of our species.
@Sustainable2050 plus the appalling working conditions of people making the fireworks, and those who mine the elements that go in the fireworks to give them the brief colour sparks. Resources wasted for a millisecond of colour in the night sky.
@Sustainable2050 More proof that we are not the most intelligent species around.

@Sustainable2050 Five people died in Germany many, including children, were injured. It's time to stop that madness.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/01/europe/germany-fireworks-new-year-deaths-intl/index.html

#germany #fireworks #nye #newyearseve

Five killed and emergency workers targeted as firework chaos mars Germany’s New Year celebrations

Five people have been killed and dozens of emergency workers are injured as firework chaos overshadowed New Year’s Eve celebrations in Germany.

CNN
@Sustainable2050 Same shit show here in Germany with fireworks. 🫣 What a waste of money… 🤯
@Sustainable2050 Imagine the public debate if two deaths, dozens of heavily injured people, and burned cars and houses were the result of, say, a terrorist attack...
#vuurwerkterreur
@rutgerdankers @Sustainable2050
Same question if these deaths and injuries were caused by, let's say, car traffic.
Having an opinion in an echo-chamber is easy. The real world is a little less easy 🤐
@rutgerdankers @Sustainable2050 I found the P2000 semafoon feed about a decade ago, just after I'd started learning Dutch, and watching it one NYE genuinely thought there /had/ been a terrorist attack as I'd never seen so many calls for all the emergency services (and I used to also listen on the scanner radio in the UK before our services went to digital encrypted networks)
@Sustainable2050 People were letting them off in a front garden in my daughter's street here in Manchester.
I couldn't believe the power of the explosive charges being set off - potentially lethal.
Nearl got killed myself at a millennium party when a rocket came into the house we were at rather than going upwards. Nobody hurt but a very lucky escape.
@markhburton @Sustainable2050 a waste of money, air quality bad after, if adults want to use its fine, but a lot of the injured are children and teens, they should not be put at risk, seen awful eye injuries in teens 😢🤦🏽‍♀️luckily not working in ED anylonger
@Sustainable2050 one dead in Denmark too, probably an illegal firework. And even though it was a shorter than usual window to use fireworks this year (limited to NYE alone), there were plenty of them still being launched this evening...
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/politiet-leder-stadig-efter-fyrvaerkeri-der-draebte-24-aarig-mand
Politiet leder stadig efter fyrværkeri, der dræbte 24-årig mand

En ung mand er afgået ved døden efter en fyrværkeri-ulykke i nat.

DR
@Ruth_Mottram @Sustainable2050 It's legal 31/12 and 1/1 so it's still legal today (as far as I know).
@Sustainable2050 additionally, many people with PTSD are tormented.
@Sustainable2050 I'd like to see a chart comparing antivaxxers and fireworks idiots. I'm guessing they're the same crowd. Darwin is going to get them one way or the other.

@Sustainable2050 Fireworks should NOT be banned. They should be heavily regulated, and require training, and certification to be able to purchase this stuff - and obviously, under-18s should not be allowed to purchase or operate fireworks or pyrotechnics in general.

Heck, just copy the USA, they divide fireworks into two main classes: (old: Class B, new:) 1.3G / Display Fireworks (large, professional fireworks), and (old: Class C, new:) 1.4G / Consumer Fireworks (small, consumer fireworks)

Here's a handy page on this stuff: https://fireworksland.com/fun-stuff/fireworks-classifications

Fireworks Classifications

@Sustainable2050 I've heard of some municipalities where I live doing synchronized light shows with drones instead. No explosions, still pretty, colourful, and doesn't let off fumes.

@Sustainable2050 kids of 13 and 14 are not allowed to light fireworks anyway, so what they lacked was parental oversight.

The stuff that was used in this case is already illegal, so again parental oversight.

A lot of fireworks has been regulated, but the failure lies with parents and a lack of enforcement.

We need to do better, I totally agree. But a fireworks ban will not be effective until two generations have died out.

@Sustainable2050 nono, you don't understand. The people don't have any money to spare!
@Sustainable2050 5 people dead in Germany. Dozens injured. 36 appartmens uninhabitable because windows broken.
@Sustainable2050 similar in Germany. Five dead, many hand- and eye-surgeries, an 8 year old boy lost his hand... several houses destroyed, and attacks on police and fire brigades. We don't need war, we can do that on St Silvester. :,(