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SimonToday I learnt that a German complained that #cyberpunk2077 used the wrong manhole standardisation. It's beautiful.
Wintermute_BBS@realsimon we just can't resist that urge ...
mafe en españa@Wintermute_BBS @realsimon They could as well just have used the American standardisation. But if they do it German they have to live with reactions "muy aleman". 🫶
@mafe @realsimon next stop: towels on sun loungers ... 🤣
Colin Haynes@realsimon an obscure naming standard I am aware of. We have a manhole cover on our driveway. We also have a motorhome. I found out how much weight the manhole cover could support when I drove over it...
Lö(h)we@realsimon that's German Cyberpunk for you, "Ordnung muss sein" 🤷
Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸@loewe @realsimon Sicherheit my friend, Sicherheit! What if a car got into an accident due to the weak ass manhole cover? Not only is it a danger to our fellow cyberpunks, the insurance claim against the city would potentially cause even more cost to our public infrastructure and damage our reputation! Think about the economy!
Now the *whole street* has to be closed due to this mistake, just in case.
Ah, yes. Crisis averted.
Now the *whole street* has to be closed due to this mistake, just in case.
Ah, yes. Crisis averted.
Markus F. Frisch
Andreas K@mff @Natanox @loewe @realsimon
At least for a couple of years.
I mean the replacement manhole covers need a planning permit, an environmental compatibility administrative procedure, … done, before it can be given out to EU-wide tender. If after some waiting time no competitors are suing, then repairs can be scheduled.
See, purely for legal reasons, the different administrative procedures where anyone inside a radius of 100km has legal standing, that includes cockroaches, it takes some years.
kami_kadseto be extra nerdy: a manhole cover of load class B125 _is_ IMO cleared for use in surfaces with light traffic (such as parking lots for passenger vehicles) and is tested to 125kN load.
Kevin Karhan 
@kami_kadse @realsimon Yeah, and you can see them on smaller roads like suburbs where vehicles > 7,5t are neither expected nor allowed to pass through.
As for state and federal roads, they'd not be permissible.
- I'd love to nerd out about hydrants, but AFAICT that game uses U.S. standards and not DIN if it has any hydrants at all, so my knowledge as former firefighter isn't doing me any good...
@kami_kadse @realsimon Guess that has changed with EU thingis as road weight limits got raised from 2,8t to 3,5t.
As this raise doesn't count for pedestrian walks they're still there.
I wouldn't wonder if street infrastructure never replaced them, especially small streets outside of cities.
I mean, we have crumbling railroad bridges, ya'll remember?
What's allowed vs. what's actually done. 🤭
Salem's Lot@kami_kadse @realsimon To be extra extra nerdy: The shock of certain mechanized Frames or Cyborgs landing from a jump with reinforced tendons exceed that Rating already, so a city wide rollout of Begu B400 would be recommended. Safety first.
Not a Spring Onion@SalemsLot @kami_kadse @realsimon
DIN fan ficition:
"With the rise of cyborg population, the DIN e.V. updated their norms in 2055 to reflect the increased weight of the average pedestrian and the higher variance of pedestrians weights.
After adaption through multiple international standards bodies, this culminated in the definition of the Small Metropolitan Urban Road Vehicle (SMURV), a class that covers both light transport vehicles and heavy mechs."
4censord 
@realsimon well if you put the standard label on it, you gotta use the right one
WildRikku@realsimon Talking about immersion paradox... "When the level of detail is too high, smaller mistakes will be more distracting"
Mike Roach@wildrikku @realsimon So true. I was playing a part of a game set in France but there were clearly German power outlets on the walls. Pretty distracting stuff.
Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@realsimon I doubt this is sincere, but a hilarious joke using stereotypes.
Sakura 
| 🅥 |@realsimon I am german
Dreadful Sanity 
@realsimon As if Night City would care about using the proper standards...
halcy 
@realsimon LITERALLY unplayable
mastodon quixote@halcy @realsimon uh it's SUPPOSED to be a DYSTOPIA
Allan Svelmøe Hansen@realsimon Another 82 GB patch :D
4bz@realsimon I bet there's a mod to correct it lol
Robert Atkins@realsimon The best part of this is that some designer or artist must have actually looked it up but nevertheless got it slightly wrong. And a German noticed.
Wendy Nather@realsimon @rmd1023 Omg that could have been my German husband. He used to take pics of fire hydrants for fun and when that got boring, he’d do manhole covers.
Jan@realsimon what if it's intentional?
Maybe Night City is cheaping out on manhole covers to increase profits?
levampyre@JaN0h4ck A dystopian city engulfed in crime and corruption. You can't expect them to adhere to safety standards. @realsimon
@levampyre @JaN0h4ck being a dystopia is no reason to ignore the sacred scriptures written by the German Institute for Standardisation!
@realsimon Sacred shmakred! @JaN0h4ck
InsertUser@realsimon there are some things you can't unsee even when you know it doesn't matter.
Irritationshintergrund🍏@realsimon "wrong manhole"
Wilfried Klaebe@threecoloured "Anlauf statt Gleitgel!"
Rainer Burkhardt@realsimon
DIN B125 will break when Batmobile runs over it. So this is a severe safety issue for Gotham City!
DIN B125 will break when Batmobile runs over it. So this is a severe safety issue for Gotham City!
Enkiusz🇺🇦@realsimon we have reached peak Germany
@realsimon There are reasons. Safety! Is nobody thinking of the children!? 🇩🇪 ✊
Mazzo
Nathan(by way of Hacker News)
This is amazing. Some designer searched for pictures of manhole covers (or even went out photographing some themselves), slapped them into the game and went on with their lives.
The Internet is not so forgiving.
I bet there will be a REDMod to fix this shortly.
https://degruchy.org/2024/10/22/cyberpunk-2077s-manhole-problem/
Schattenspringer@realsimon Nicht spielbar! #Almanistan
nocci [cyberpunk'd]@realsimon
I saw this a time ago and was bluffed how deep some ppl dive into video games.
I saw this a time ago and was bluffed how deep some ppl dive into video games.
__Miguel_@realsimon Impressively Germanic.
Also, super nerdy (in the good way). Only a true nerd would look for that kind of details :D
Stephan* :birders:@realsimon the love for details! 👍
Dźwiedziu@realsimon Wrong standardisation is perfectly on-point for a cyberpunk dystopia. (Or our world, as the future is here, just unevenly spread.) The covers are probably fake, made in some canon-compliant sh*thole country, and are used in NC because they were cheaper.
Marmly Owl@dzwiedziu @realsimon honestly the canon compliant shithole could very easily be the (N)USA
Stefan Scherfke@zeratul2099 Maybe I won’t play the game after all.
zeratul2099@sscherfke This inaccuracy is unbearable 😀
Simon Zerafa
Stoneface Vimes@realsimon it wasn't Henning Wehn was it?😉
randint@realsimon wow, I saw a screenshot of your post somewhere else. cool!
@realsimon how Germany are you?
Ja.
Ja.
nota@realsimon The best bit, IMO, is the german association for pipe maintainance and repair putting out a press release about the matter
https://rsv-ev.de/cyberpunk-2077-din-schachtdeckel
https://rsv-ev.de/cyberpunk-2077-din-schachtdeckel
cpli
Krutonium://@realsimon That says DIN 4271 not B125?
Ember's old account -> @@krutonium @realsimon B125 is the name for a type of cover that uses the DIN 4271 norm. OP had the right idea but is factually wrong, there is no DIN B125. The norm they're referring to that's used by D400 is DIN 1229.
Velvet@realsimon Game is still buggy to this day, smh my head 
/silly
/silly
Munsterlandr@realsimon it checks out that it would happen, though. Inevitably part of the all too familiar bs of that world would be megacorps destroying safety standards so they can increase profit margins, and I'd assume the one for pedestrians only is a little cheaper to produce
@realsimon greetings from Germany. I immediately checked and he's right.
Pedestrian walkways seem to be 4272 and 4274 for the inner and outer part.
s4mmy