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Rod HiltonOnce again for the folks in the back.
I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.
LAUREN@rodhilton *slow clap* That guy has the understanding of a five year old. To think he sold Tesla to the public as addressing climate crisis and receives gov subsidies to this day for that.
He is a fraud through and through.
Litlok 🚜 🌻@noondlyt @rodhilton Tesla does not sell cars, it sells carbon credits… https://carboncredits.com/teslas-profit-margin-hits-a-5-year-low-but-carbon-credit-revenue-hit-record-high-q2/
Andreas K@noondlyt @rodhilton Actually he is obviously a fraud if he is selling Teslas as a climate crisis solution:
For that he would have to keep the CO2 credits issued to Tesla by the government. But Tesla is actually basically selling their “officially recognized well behaviour” to other businesses, so they can continue to pollute more.
He's just a rich kid, who happened to be at the right places with the right people at the right time. REAL GENIUS.
goedelchen@noondlyt @rodhilton I'm really not a fan of Musk, but if an expert would explain to me that something is there to prevent something getting too wet (and not why "too wet" could be dangerous) in some exceptional scenarios I'd also decide to remove it to get a more marketable price.
FeralRobots@goedelchen @noondlyt @rodhilton bear in mind that we don't really know what the explanation was or where this account comes from. I've often been in the position of explaining the reason for not doing somethin, & them months or years later heard a wildly wrong version of that explanation - attributed to me - to illustrate of how wrong the decision was.
An unholy but very common mashup of 'Chesterton's Fence' & 'Telephone'.
An unholy but very common mashup of 'Chesterton's Fence' & 'Telephone'.
@goedelchen @noondlyt @rodhilton
What should have been done is that he should have consulted multiple sources an gotten a complete understanding of the risk profile. Just using the rubric of '100 year event' pretty conclusively demonstrates he didn't have that.
What should have been done is that he should have consulted multiple sources an gotten a complete understanding of the risk profile. Just using the rubric of '100 year event' pretty conclusively demonstrates he didn't have that.
Mercurius Goldstein@rodhilton
Of course Teslas catch fire underwater because of course they fn do.
Of course Teslas catch fire underwater because of course they fn do.
@MercG @rodhilton
This is also the dude who goes around touting the idea you can use a Tesla as a boat.
This is also the dude who goes around touting the idea you can use a Tesla as a boat.
don Elías (como los buses) 🥨@rodhilton that idiot once said "The best process is no process" and that started to be quoted by agile management gurus 🙄
Rik D'huyvetters@donelias @rodhilton yeah, I hate that.
derptron@donelias @rodhilton Regulated industries like auto and medical require a fuck ton of process too. The fact that people like Musk can get their companies and products certified terrifies me. Pretty sure "owner can step in and decide otherwise at any time" is not a clause in an ISO certified QMS. "Yeah, we do risk analyis and stuff and then the owner can come in and say a risk management measure takes up too much assembly time so it's changed right there." ISO auditor, "OK, it's Musk so..."
Roadskater, Ph.D.@rodhilton Starship launches, mostly destroys its launchpad, blowing concrete from here to way the F over there. ✅
Bern@rodhilton to be fair, *all* US car manufacturer CEOs think like this. I once sat in a vehicle engineering meeting where it was announced that management had decided to delete the water management trough beneath the windscreen, because they wanted to include a diesel engine option, and the particular engine they chose wouldn't fit in the engine bay... 🙄
Cluster Fcku@rodhilton can someone provide some context please? What does the quote about butyl have to do with whatever it is that garage picture is showing?
Mx Autumn 
@clusterfcku @rodhilton the patches were installed to stop water from getting into the car if it ends up in too much water, e.g during a flood. Musk demaned they stop installing them, the car in the picture is on fire because salt water from the flood got into the battery compartment, something those patches would have presumably stopped from happening.
Dave Mc@carbontwelve @clusterfcku @rodhilton I'm not convinced that has anything to do with the battery though. Sounds like it's patches they put over holes in the body to reduce water ingress. The battery module isn't the same thing.
There's plenty of facts that demonstrate Musk isn't the uber engineering genius that he claims to be. I think this one is grasping at straws.
dxzdb@guigsy @carbontwelve @clusterfcku @rodhilton FYI this article suggests that the battery compartment is mostly sealed but eventually water will get in https://cleantechnica.com/2024/09/29/flood-fire-risk-with-evs-at-least-some-ev-packs-need-better-water-sealing/
Flood Fire Risk With EVs — At Least Some EV Packs Need Better Water Sealing - CleanTechnica
Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! In the wake of the recent hurricane that swept Florida and then went and wrecked lower Appalachia, I came across an interesting social media post from local government officials in Pinellas County, Florida. In ... [continued]
@dxzdb @carbontwelve @clusterfcku @rodhilton the article also says that the pack is fully waterproof, just not for an extended period of time. But that suggests there aren't holes left in it.
I've seen a car battery pack assembly line. They seal up the pack and then test it by making sure it holds air pressure for several minutes. Creating a design that survives submersion in salt water for days, especially when the vehicle has already aged, would be much harder.
@clusterfcku @rodhilton The alt text is "Tesla bursting into flames due to salt in flood waters."
Major Denis Bloodnok@clusterfcku The butyl plugs were to prevent water ingress from below. The car in the picture is on fire because salt water has gained ingress from below and shorted out the electrics.
Robotistry@clusterfcku @rodhilton If the floor of the vehicle gets wet, water can get into other places from the floor. That water can then short electrical circuits and/or reach the batteries, causing the car to catch fire as shown in the picture. I suspect that's a lithium fire caused by the batteries getting wet.
Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊I'd stay away from his flamethrowers as well, but considering all his stuff typically winds up on fire anyway, that's probably redundant.
RejZoR@rodhilton I mean, basic chemistry knowledge tells you lithium and water don't mix well. Having to ask why water intrusion protection has to exist on EV is something only "genius" Musk that knows more than ansone else about manufacturing would ask.
@rejzor @rodhilton Maybe they should have explained to him it's to prevent the lithium getting wet instead of preventing that the floor gets wet.
Apan@rodhilton Any source ?
Manfred Lange (he/him)@rodhilton Last Saturday, a friend picked me up with his car: A Tesla. I hadn't seen him in a while so I didn't know he owned one. I asked him how he likes the car. Him: I'm gonna get rid of it once I have to replace the battery if not sooner. He also told me that he has experienced the car hitting the breaks for any and no reason at all. Finally, he's annoyed about the frequent updates. Buttons that used to be in once location on the touch screen are now in a totally different place. Great UX!
FelichsNow ask yourself why Toyota, with all their experience, resources and partnerships haven't just gone full electric already.
Chloé Raccoon@felichsdakatze @rodhilton @VulpineAmethyst I'd have thought one major reason is their home market requirements?
Kevin Lyda@felichsdakatze @rodhilton Because they have huge capital investment in engine factories.
@lyda @rodhilton
Combustion engines are complicated, expensive and need to be frequently changed.
As a percentage of their business, the foundries would be a relatively small portion of their capital allocations, and they still need foundries for other parts. The overheads of design and development are where the money goes.
Electric motors get rid of a whole bunch of problems. It really isn't the motor that is the issue. It's keeping it powered, reliably, and conveniently.
@felichsdakatze @rodhilton I've driven EVs for five years. It's not as complicated as you think.
⁂ Fish Id Wardrobe@rodhilton this is also why you can't put a cybertruck through a car wash
Farshid Hakimy / فرشید@rodhilton where did you get the text from the first picture from?
I can't find the source anywhere.
I can't find the source anywhere.
Greg Hills@farshidhakimy @rodhilton
I had the same question and applied some Google-foo to it.
https://archive.org/download/elon-musk-walter-isaacson/Elon%20Musk%20-%20Walter%20Isaacson.pdf
Page 246
@farshidhakimy @rodhilton Look on Youtube. A local TV station got video of this. Car appears to have been charging before it went poof - note the light on the rear corner that goes out just as the fire starts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-p9_Eut18A
Tesla Catches Fire in Flooded Garage
@mike805 Thanks I already got the source. I actually meant the first picture. The one that has text in it
@farshidhakimy @mike805 "Character Limit" new book
MegatronicThronBanks@rodhilton What a worthless cocksnap.
Kotes@rodhilton Oh my. Tesla ignites just by submerging it in water?
Cecelia@kotaro @rodhilton According to a linked article, submersion in salt water may cause a small percentage of battery packs to short and catch fire.
@helianthropy @rodhilton That image says that Elon Musk has removed the safety patch for vehicle floods. He is an utterly incompetent manager.
@kotaro @rodhilton Not to defend the man, but the image doesn’t indicate whether these patches are for safety (nor when this occurred, though presumably this was during the ramp up for Model 3—there’s a well known story about removing a thin mat that sits between the battery pack and the floor meant to reduce vibration or noise that the robots couldn’t place well. The Tesla on fire is a Model X and it’s not clear to me how old it is.)
Mike Anderson@rodhilton I notice that Musk is predicting floods like this once every 10 years.
TC Won't Give In To Lies@rodhilton
Further proof Musk is no engineer - and certainly no design genius.
He's a financial gameplayer and marketing face. He has a slight talent for assembling brilliant engineers, then ignoring and undercutting them.
Avoid at all costs.
Enara 
❔@rodhilton why on earth is he so desperate to get rid of safety measures?
Rob Synnott@rodhilton Just driving a bulldozer through Chesterton’s Fence.
Shailesh Kumar 🇫🇯🇺🇸@rodhilton what I call it “snake oil” sold to millions by the “moron”
Tuxicoman@rodhilton there are no front wheels ?
grillchen@rodhilton wait so he is fine with all cars breaking in 10 years?
Kura 
:kura_explode:@[email protected] @rodhilton That's more money for dem
Шуро@rodhilton Cars catching fire because they are too wet.
Walter van Holst@rodhilton If true, some class-action lawyers are going to have massive fun with this.
@rodhilton times like this I'm reminded that Elon has no professional engineering experience to speak of.
Noel KellyTell me you've never maintained your own code, without telling me you've never maintained your own code.
@rodhilton
I've worked for people like that (but with less money).
That sort of thing always comes back to bite you. Always.
I've worked for people like that (but with less money).
That sort of thing always comes back to bite you. Always.