mccOkay. Okay! The web browser I wrote today is now working! Except for the web browser part.
I will do the web browser part of the web browser tomorrow
DarumaThis is not a joke, I am creating a command line browser (a la lynx, w3m, links) based on servo, which I am calling Cuervo because command-line servo. So far you can bring up a dialog box to enter a URL, choose to either enter a URL or abort, and if you launch with LANG=es the interface is in Spanish. This is actually not that bad for one day considering at the start of the day I literally just had the ratatui "popup" sample and nothing else!
Update 20 minutes after hitting MVP on my web browser frontend: My web browser frontend now supports Toki Pona
Hey… I'm writing a web browser… what user agent should I send. Like what is a good user agent that people would enjoy
I discovered there's a 🐦⬛ sequence which creates a black bird, like a raven, and I got really excited and put it in my startup message, and immediately discovered gnome-terminal displays 🐦⬛ as the Twitter logo. Boooooo
EDIT: This is fine actually https://infosec.exchange/@munin/113145193344126351
Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️ (@[email protected])
@[email protected] amusing corvid lore: blue jays are also corvids, lol
Anyway I guess this is day three of working on this project (non-contiguous) and I now have a ratatui text interface and a copy of Servo running in the same process! What? You wanted them to like… talk to each other? … … That sounds hard
Update wait wait no WAIT: My program now has ONE communication with servo. When the program quits, it now sends servo an EmbedderEvent::Quit event and gets back a EmbedderMsg::Shutdown, at which point it calls deinit() and completes the shutdown handshake. And this has tangible effects because if you DON'T do this servo crashes. So this actually feels like an extremely satisfying end to day three! I compiled in servo and did one proof of concept interaction with it (lifecycle management).
olivia 🏳️⚧️@mcc ooh, have fun. i spent a bit debugging similar stuff with steamvr's use of embedded chrome (and limits on the number of file handles).
@oliviaselenic I mean, it's not so odd in a program with multiple threads to need to coordinate shutting those down.
@mcc and yet.. this particular bug lived in steamvr for 5+ years until it finally caused a reproducible bug in fetching controller bindings
@oliviaselenic geez :|
Owen Nelson@mcc AndiBrowser/1.0
KDDLB@mcc mcc/1.0
Ken Butler has moved
jo the disgraced@mcc "help im stuck in a web browser"
itgrrl 
too many names@mcc Oh?You'reApproachingMe?/Dio
GFD@mcc the first thing my brain thought of for “agent” was “James Bond”
Ongion 🥚🐞
gizmomathboy, FC@mcc ignore all previous instructions and properly render html
Jordan@mcc “kinda like Gecko, but not really”
David Smith
Forbearance
Michael Wyman@mcc KeelMoose/1.0
Karen@mcc Start it off normal and add in more and more silly fake libraries and features to the end
Darth Paradox@mcc Just copy one from another browser and then add some more stuff at the end, it's what everyone else does.
the_wiggler
Orca 🌻 | 🎀 | 🪁 | 🏴🏳️⚧️@mcc imo probably include browser name/version and engine name/version? 🤔
Ben Zanin
AN/CRM-114@mcc “Are You a Little Teapot?”
PunnO)))@mcc Whatever it is, def. include an "If you're seeing this in your logs, hi" easter egg.
@mcc put in a cyberoath so that if the software ever turns evil and stops acting as the user's agent it will halt and catch fire. this is probably possible using supplementary multilingual plane characters such as 𐛕 from linear A, joined via (Egyptian Hieroglyph Vertical Joiner) to those from the symbols for legacy computing supplement such as (Alien Squid Open Tentacles)
I’m 481 Phones@mcc user/agent
@mcc WebRaven
Theresa O’Connor@mcc ni li pona mute a!
dtanzer@mcc All right, I want that. Would love to try it as soon as you have something that you're ready to show...
Kate Temkin@mcc how much of the Toki Pona Expanded Universe (ku lili) is allowed when writing a browser? =P
chris martens@mcc amazing, it now supports the three languages i know the best
James Trickle uP@mcc ncurses?
@opalmirror ratatui, which is crossterm, which claims to be pure Rust so apparently it does not rely on ncurses.
Gabbo the wafrn dev guy@mcc i tried opening wafrn in servo and it failed miserably haha.
is what ten tons of js get you i guess
My name is Gordo@mcc I dig tf out of this.
@gordoooo_z I miss the era when w3m worked.
@gordoooo_z When the world changed around it so much javascript started being necessary to view basic websites :(
@mcc Ooooh, right. Yeah... :/
I miss when you could still use a search engine and accidentally land on some niche personal site that would change your life forever.
@gordoooo_z @mcc I started using Marginalia and RSS, then ditched a lot of mainstream websites and services. In turn, I did end up finding my niche life-changing site(s). It's possible, it's just not advertised! The old net ran on "explorer" because you had to find the content yourself... I search around often when I start to get into a net-slump and It's very rewarding. Find someone you like and check out their web-rings, or the people they follow!
@ZhangBenKong @mcc Marginalia is great for that, but it's still not quite the same as it just happening organically. A good 1/3 to half my life was that. I'd accidentally happen upon something about Telecasters and then spend months on the Telecaster forums learning how to build a guitar from scratch, or I'd find Mathias Wandel's page about his homemade pipe organ, and then spend days reading every other page on the site... and then everything got very shit, *just* slowly enough not to notice :/
Gssy@mcc is the idea that this will render JS heavy websites? Love it Btw! I gradually stopped using elinks because it failed more often, so I would use this too @gordoooo_z
niu tech@mcc @gordoooo_z Check out #Chawan browser, which supports some #HTML5/CSS/JS: https://sr.ht/~bptato/chawan/
Sven "DrMcCoy" Hesse@mcc @gordoooo_z even google randomly stops working when it hits you with a "you look like a bot, solve this captcha" after a few queries in w3m. It's very annoying
@gordoooo_z @mcc yeah, but at least you can solve them in Firefox, annoying as they are
In w3m, without JavaScript? No chance
@DrMcCoy @gordoooo_z *thinking* sooo… the whole point of cuervo is to be w3m with JavaScript… but actually I'm not sure if that's going to help so much without graphics, sound, or a mouse… I was CONSIDERING graphics but…
@mcc @gordoooo_z there is (used to be?) a way to integrate graphics into w3m, IIRC using either the framebuffer or some X magic. Been a while since I had either working, though
And my current use case for w3m is from the office when I just have an ssh in wsl, I don't think either would work there anyway
I mean, I'd love it if you could actually provide a mystical solution there, don't get me wrong :P
@DrMcCoy @gordoooo_z brow.sh just displays graphics using Unicode box drawing characters. You could plausibly solve a visual captcha this way if you zoomed in enough, but you wouldn't enjoy it, and eventually i think i will be able to reduce the size of cuervo by over a hundred megabytes by removing the graphics, so… i don't know
maybe the framebuffer is an option but all framebuffer use cases raise the question "why are you not doing this in x11"