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alliei think the internet would be better if "web designers" were banned from having internet faster than train wifi
Moth @username I think most software would be better if developers had to test their software in a more restricted environment (in the sense of having poor internet and low system resources)
schrotthaufen@mothwaves @username Browsers in particular should be tested on dual core with hyper threading, and 8gb ram.
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Wilfried Klaebe@alefunguju Browsers should be tested on a laptop that was 300USD (or 300EUR if you prefer) five years ago.
Sebastian Gfeller@mothwaves @username Totally agree. It's difficult though, because we'll still need those fast machines to actually develop the web site in a reasonable way. Luckily there's throttling tools in all major browsers now.
rag. Gustavino BevilacquaWhen I taught "web design" I suggested my pupils to put their pages on a floppy, to "emulate" the speed of a modem.
TrainWatch@username with my web based departure board site I did put the effort into it to ensure it only loaded what was necessary to reduce what it needed to download.
That said, I date back to the old 8-bit days so have known about optimising since the 80's, so modern developer's do need to take note.
Riku Mattila 
@username And browser designers only had vintage Pentiums.
GuerillaGrue@username I've long been a proponent of the idea that those who are responsible for maintaining/improving a service should only be legally allowed to use the worst version of that service generally available.
ISPs? Nobody on the board can use fiber internet 'til at least 90 percent of their serviced users have access to it.
Slum lords? Required to live in their "cheapest" accommodations.
Etc.
The only way to get some folks to care about others' plights is to have them experience it too.
nina splendorr 🌻🏳️⚧️@GuerillaGrue @username I’ve thought this, too! Elected officials should have to use the worst available healthcare, make minimum wage, etc. If it’s not good enough for you, then it’s not good enough for the countless others you inflict it on!
*nodsnods*
My idea for elected officials is that for anything government-related, once you've been elected, neither you nor anyone in your house is allowed to have any outside income again. Ever.
You are given a home that matches the median of the nation (or your state for state positions.) You are paid a monthly allowance equal to the median. You are given healthcare equal to the median coverage.
You want to do better in the future? You gotta fix it for *everyone.*
AccordionBruce@GuerillaGrue @username
Totally tangentially this is why people on public transit boards should have to ride transit
Totally tangentially this is why people on public transit boards should have to ride transit
Bill Ricker@username
Similarly, back in Web 1.0 (late 19xx), I added a bandwidth-limited proxy address to our LAN development server's web-server, so that our in-house designers could preview (=experience) their lovely graphics at dial-up speed. <sound f/x>
IIRC it was emulating 14.4kbps, but whatever was widely available, not expensive leading edge that year.
(In the same vein, Y-T ads that are HD or 4K and slow-loading when the video being interupted wasn't, so take longer to load than to view.)
Alexis@username and restricted to only using last-gen low-end devices.
Volpeon 
@[email protected] Also their bosses all the way up to the CEO who demand they implement unnecessary bullshit
LisPi
Erpel@volpeon @[email protected] @[email protected] why don't we just shoot all CEOs to Mars, so they can Worship Elon and we can do our thing down here at earth
miki@username If there'll ever be a "first law" named after me, it'll be something along the lines of "the machine you use for compiling should be as good as possible, but the machine you use for testing should be as terrible as posible"
Tommaths (he/him)@username
It's crazy, but train WiFi is often slower than not having an internet connection at all.
It's crazy, but train WiFi is often slower than not having an internet connection at all.
Timothy Swan@username “Web designers” aren’t usually the ones responsible for site performance. That’s usually 99% marketing goons making dumb demands (ooh —super-large slideshows, 5 font families, tracking pixels up the wazoo.) Just saying.
Dragon@username Given how heavily train Wi-Fi here is throttled that's just cruel, I like it...
Cat 🐈🥗 (D.Burch) 
Pixel Dunn@catsalad happened to me too lol (to use tor on train wifi)
Exerra 
@[email protected] Everything in software would be better if devs were banned from having anything better than what normal people have.
Ban app devs from having beefy systems. Force OS devs (mostly talking about Windows) to use some 8gb ram 256gb ssd with a few gens old i5 ultra thin laptop.
The disconnect is crazy.
Ban app devs from having beefy systems. Force OS devs (mostly talking about Windows) to use some 8gb ram 256gb ssd with a few gens old i5 ultra thin laptop.
The disconnect is crazy.
Robin Neal@username I worked on a web project that was required to be ran on in-flight entertainment systems in the future.
I still couldn't win the battle to prioritise application performance and user experience over sprint velocity and developer experience. and I was meant to be the bloody front end architect.
Some of us are trying, but constantly losing the battle.
Ⓐvebury Rosetta 
🍉🏴🚩@username And operating systems would be better if "systems engineers" were banned from using computers faster than a raspberry pi
foofy on CTC 2.0@username lol im currently rewriting my website from scratch and this is definitely something that im taking into consideration already, progressive image loading (low quality preview that lazy loads the proper img) and using very few resources overall seem to be working nicely
muxelplexer@username everyone talking about “mobile-first”. Everyone forgot “useable on terminal” :(
Violet Bison 🦬@username Absolutely true. UX/UI designers having 500 Gb/s internet speed, 4k monitors and M3 Macs is an actual problem.
(I'm one of them, btw)
Fink 
Ghostrunner@username there are "latency simulators" that can be applied to releases to ensure QoS is known and accounted for.
Or roll your own, not super complicated.
Unattributed 👤 ☑@username IMO - they would just figure out how to make sure the adverts and peronal info gathering code ran faster, and screwed the rest of the content.
Yeah, I'm being cynical...
Attaboy@username We should relocate them to the south pole (https://brr.fyi/posts/engineering-for-slow-internet)
Cassandrich@username Is that faster or slower than 1995 dialup? Because I want them banned from using anything faster than 1995 dialup.
halcy 
@username also, if they were using the median computer instead of the top end newest generation macbook
U.Lancier@username "responsive Design" could be in reaction to other resources, too. Not just the available screen size.
(Edited: wrong language 😅)
(Edited: wrong language 😅)
Aroop Roelofs@username To be fair, you can make good designs all you want but it's more often than not the implementation that sucks.
Think overly bloated JS frameworks, shitty compression, 1337666 different requests (instead of bundling to have just a few requests) etc.
These are generally not decisions made by the designers but the developers.
Think overly bloated JS frameworks, shitty compression, 1337666 different requests (instead of bundling to have just a few requests) etc.
These are generally not decisions made by the designers but the developers.
Ed Bilodeau
bhtooefr@username tbh, give them the cheapest prepaid Android phone you can find, too, and ban them from running an adblocker
nowadays, that basically means four 2 GHz Cortex-A53s, and maybe you get four bonus 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53s, looking at the prepaid stuff available in my area for US$30
nowadays, that basically means four 2 GHz Cortex-A53s, and maybe you get four bonus 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53s, looking at the prepaid stuff available in my area for US$30
Mikko
Adi 🐾 (he/him)@username and can only design on mobile screens.
Designing on 48" 5K monitors with infinite canvas does not make for great mobile experiences.
Designing on 48" 5K monitors with infinite canvas does not make for great mobile experiences.
Kim@[email protected] Where's that blog post about designing government websites for someone using an old portable gaming device because they can't afford a smartphone...
PhilSalkie@username
Programmers, too - I've gotten into arguments with developers where I've said "I need to be able to compile your software on a system with no Internet connection" and they look at me like I'm saying you need to breathe without oxygen.
The number of systems we have in 4th sub-basements, ships, labs where no network connections are allowed, etc. means that everything has to be able to be worked on standalone - anathema to the modern tech world.
Programmers, too - I've gotten into arguments with developers where I've said "I need to be able to compile your software on a system with no Internet connection" and they look at me like I'm saying you need to breathe without oxygen.
The number of systems we have in 4th sub-basements, ships, labs where no network connections are allowed, etc. means that everything has to be able to be worked on standalone - anathema to the modern tech world.
Mondanzo@username YES THIS! And app developer need the worst phone on the market pls
Itchi5 illustrationsYeah or just stop using wordpress websites, same same.
The trick is 'slower' web/apps generate the only reasonable demand for 'faster' internet.
It's like Microsift stuffing your computer full of updates that it runs slower and so you 'need' another computer.
Or Apple trippling it's picture resolution so your storage is more quick filled up and then they offer U.S. 'cloud' servers to store your stuff on, which is outside the GDPR.
It's all a simple corporate sales-trick.
NumerfoltIt's not just the weigth of the pictures, it's more the loading times of all the bloating JS and plugins etc. :)
Three LLMs in a Trenchcoat@username Also the newest device they have access to should be from 2012, with a screen no bigger than a sheet of A4 paper
@username Well it should be no faster than 9600 baud. Seriously web pages have become way bloated with so much stuff on it for what nothing and less accessibility too.
Berkubernetus@username Did you know that there used to be a contest to design a website in less than 50kb?
Yeah, they haven't run that one for a while.
Steve@username back when I was designing websites in the 1990s we would use tools to change our Internet speed to test webpage load times. It was part of the job.
Kurt Thams@username after you accomplish that one can you make the rules that packaging designers should all need reading glasses?
Flux@username oh and on a computer from 2005.