Arcanoraptor
Fesshole 🧻My employer added a clause in my last NDA stating that I was prohibited from saying anything "disparaging" about the company. Now when anyone asks about job postings I tell them, "I'm contractually obligated not to say anything disparaging about them." None have ever applied.
kaybee@fesshole malicious compliance, we love to see it 🤩
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Bradcopter@hucksternoise @kaybee @fesshole probably not? Maybe? But even if it's 100% ironclad against the law, can you afford to fight that fight against corporate lawyers?
Yaoi Box Balloon@fesshole That is far, far more damaging to them than anything disparaging you could say. And saying anything disparaging would make you look like a spiteful, bitter nut job.
This is very good. They shot themselves in the foot 🤣 priceless.
Martin Vermeer FCD@fesshole Like when the moderation rules on your instance prevent you from wishing anyone dead and you just point that out with reference to certain persons.
Moah@fesshole in Sweden it's actually illegal (disparaging your employer), you have a duty of loyalty from what I've been told
Natanael ⚠️@Natanael_L @fesshole I was told (as a swedish employee) that were supposed to raise these issues internally
Nova@exploding_sun @fesshole of course
Mans R@Moah @fesshole You've been told wrong. Swedish work culture is weird in some ways, but it's not quite that bad. Here's an article from a while back saying such a clause in a contract would likely be unconstitutional: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7289897
Leto Atréides 🪱🏜️🌈🦄👓🪶🐜@fesshole employers shootting themselves in the foot 🤣
Space Hobo@fesshole "On advice of counsel, they have many fine qualities and I wish them well."
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Zimmie@fesshole “They’re the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful company I’ve ever worked for in my life.”
King Kaufman
Stanley Black-Decker@fesshole I mean, I'm pretty sure that clause is illegal/unenforceable now
🏳️🌈🜏Technomancer🜏🏳️🌈@fesshole , the other important factor here is it tells them you can also comply and understand the terms of a contract.
Varbin 
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I must not complain on social media about my employer. But nobody told me to stay silent in "real life".
I must not complain on social media about my employer. But nobody told me to stay silent in "real life".
Ysegrim@fesshole In Germany, it's vice versa – employees have a right for an employer's reference when they leave their job, and employers are not allowed to put anything negative into it.
The effect is that there is a catalog of positive phrases that have negative meanings -- classic example is, "they endeavored to meet requirements", which translates as "they never once actually met the requirements". Or, "all colleagues appreciated their warm nature" -- "they had sex with all of them".
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🎓 Doc Freemo 
🇳🇱Out of curiosity was this an NDA you had to sign when they hired you, or an NDA they tried to get you to sign after they hired you?
GwenTheKween - Find me @kitsunes.club, I don't see anything here@fesshole employer heard someone go "I can't complain" and took it literally
Caramelized Shallots@fesshole this is the kind of fess I am here for.
Good idea
Zelda 👑@fesshole oooo that's brilliant
Maltimore@fesshole sounds like it's pretty disparaging to say to others that they made you sign this NDA; therefore you may be legally in hot water 😅
Checkmate atheists
Checkmate atheists
Supportive Tree-based lifeform@fesshole you could also rephrase it as though it were positive:
"our company is an industry leader in high turnover rates"
"Our company is a competitive investment; we use over 30 employment productivity metrics to ensure employees do not dilly dally with things like 'lives' and 'families'"
DJGummikuh@fesshole hahaha that is awesome xD
Óscar Morales Vivó@fesshole this is like the old joke about life under totalitarianism.
“So, how are things under the Glorious Communist Revolution?”
“Oh, you know… we can’t complain”
Mark Whybird@MyLittleMetroid @fesshole This whole thing reminded me of an ancient Wizard of Id comic that has stuck with me:
Some dignitary is being shown around the kingdom by the king, and he asks some peasants what life is like for them. “Can’t complain”, they all reply. “Ha ha, why not?” He jokingly responds.
“It’s forbidden.”
Alan Hicks@fesshole
It's almost always possible to say the impossible 👏
It's almost always possible to say the impossible 👏
@FourQ ♿@fesshole Previous employer made everyone sign the new contract, earlier starts, finishing later, tighter controls, change to KPI's, stricter conditions. The lot. A handful of us didn't sign it. They couldn't make us. Most learnt too late. Management were furious but their hands were tied because only the new contract gave them the power to take action.
They fucking hated us!
They fucking hated us!
Frang 
@fesshole "I am contractually obligated not to say things like <list of things that are wrong with the place>"
John Breen@fesshole When I sign such things, I add the letters "UD" to my name, indicating "Under Duress". So if I ever have to explain it to a judge, I can explain "that was signed Under Duress - they were going to fire me if I did not sign, and my family would die. So duress - invalid contract".
#MadLawyer
#MadLawyer
0x575446, Fifth Columnist@jab01701mid @fesshole Not sure if the advice I got was true or not, but I always ask in some verifiable way (i.e., via email) if it's negotiable. If they say it isn't, then it's harder for them to claim that it was offered in good faith.
Ambient Sponge@fesshole Malicious compliance. I love it.
zweifeln@fesshole It makes me happy seeing this post because my actual boss boosted it.
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andrei!@fesshole This is delightful.
Sayar Tyler 
@fesshole Fun fact about any contract: They're not binding if you move to a country with no extradition treaty. ;)
Miguel Filipe@fesshole you do you, but at that point, if this an ethical matter you should quit
kccqzy@fesshole @gsuberland Usually these clauses (or the entire NDA) come with an expiration date. A new hire had such a clause and he told us when that NDA would expire. We then scheduled a meeting one day after the expiration to talk about it.
Michael Vilain@fesshole I crossed out the non-disparagement clause in the SelectGroup consulting contract for a startup I was being considered for. What got their attorney's attention was me crossing out the Arbitration Agreement. In 2015, that was totally new to contracts in the SF/Bay area. I argued that my job is to tell a company I was working for that they had Rectocranial Inversion if they started doing stupid things and they kept it in.
I didn't get the Arbitration Clause removed and ended up working for the startup anyway. I figured if I worked for them again, I'd bail if they tried that again. Turns out The Select Group isn't very good at supporting their contractors and f-s around with contracts.
