@anna_lillith

Robust fair taxation is necessary to democracy. Also, and here's the SECRET, it creates a ROARING, wealth building, wage rising, unemployment destroying economy. A economy so RICH it can afford to STOP CUTTING CORNERS, and make products that arent pollution increasers, afford to repair damage caused by extraction, pause to listen to concerns.

FDR, Truman Eisenhower did it. Biden is doing it.

We asked for fair taxation.
Biden taxed the untaxed a trillion dollars, and it works,

@anna_lillith

Here is an addendum to the secret of FDR's, Biden's, economy.

Cons call the theft of demand "trickle down" - "supply side"

It is stealing demand to crush competitors, its a market destroyer. So market controlling companies have limited or weak competition.

Wal-Mart's destruction of wages is also to destroy other stores. Not just to take the few dollars, but create a monopoly. Create weak a population that cant resist.

The Theft of Demand
To Control A Population.

@kevinrns @anna_lillith In the expression "a rising tide lifts all boats", workers and public infrastructure are the tide; the rich are the boats.
@anna_lillith I'm all for that, but since most simply inherit their money, any prize should read "the lucky sperm club."

@anna_lillith I think a cutoff of 20mio should be fine for having a good life. No private jets, no car colletions, no superyachts.

999mio enable too much political influence, and too much toxic behaviour a.k.a. pollution.

@anna_lillith Agreed; the numbers are open for discussion, but this is one side of #DoughnutEconomics.* The other side is support for the least wealthy; caring for the natural environment is in there too. Wins all round, I think!

* Or #DonutEconomics, if you prefer.

@anna_lillith @KimSJ Small addition: you get a trophy, we shoot you through the lungs and we name a *memorial* dog park after you.
@anna_lillith what about cashing them out and closing their opportunities to additional wealth?
@anna_lillith Agreed, and we call it Trickle Down tax, all you money trickles down to poorer people!
@anna_lillith This, but make it something between 7 million and 30 million.
@anna_lillith true but also, no billionaire is actually a billionaire on paper, their valuation is based on things they have control over - often very indirectly, not their bank statement. even if we wanted to tax the rich to shit, we'd have to dismantle so many layers of indirection it boggles the mind
@anna_lillith here's a fun example: if the rich need money, they don't turn income that hasn't had taxes paid on it into liquid tax-paid-for money, they borrow on unrealized profits at almost 0%, spend it all and either write it off as a loss or just borrow more money to pay off the old loan.

@anna_lillith More like 5 or 10 million, and that applies to the sum of all assets, not just cash. Plus a similar limit on companies that also includes all of their subsidiaries.

Also make any attempt at hiding money in extraterritorial or tax-exempt bodies (e.g. Foundations) punishable like murder.

@anna_lillith @partizan so what the reason continue to generate value for other people?
@anna_lillith completely agree, but an upper limit cap on what a person can earn
@anna_lillith though I think the cap should be lower actually
@anna_lillith how about we do this at 1 million
@anna_lillith The only thing this would do is create an entire service industry specialized in somehow circumventing this rule - I dunno maybe they can get you married in a country that allows multiple wives, and now every wive can have $999 billion each .... believeme. They will find a way.
@anna_lillith A dog park? But that will keep many capable people from... oh.
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Good principle, but it should define the limit at 10 mio, not at 1000 millions = 1 bln.
10 mio are REALLY enough for any individual, and most probably successfully prevent undue influence on politics.
@anna_lillith so you found a company and its value goes over 1b, what happens next?
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I would intoduce 16bit bank accounts, if you have to much you have to start at zero again.
@anna_lillith sure, tell it to those in "developed" and "progressive" nations. Let’s start with the UK and Commonwealth.

@anna_lillith That lid is way too high.

One Life. You get what you can produce, not what you can extract from many other people. So the lid is somewhere around ten times the lower of mean or median for annual income, and fifty times whatever that income cap happens to be for assets. (If you work from 20 to 50 at the maximum and somehow keep it.)

And if you go over, you get liquidated and keep nothing. (And the state doesn't keep it, either. It's gone.)

@anna_lillith Let's divide the number by at least 10, maybe rather 100.
@anna_lillith How can i have a dog park named after me without reaching 999 milion $ ?
@anna_lillith Et une fusée décolle comme à la fin de Tetris, mais avec le milliardaire dedans, avec 100 balles, direction Mars.
@anna_lillith the sad part is, even if that were in place, some people would jump through every possible hoop so that the super rich could cheat: "you have 999M, and so does you cat, and you manage those", or "you have 999M, and the people that used to have 100k now have 1k, to keep the balance in your favour".
The only solution is guillotines.
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@anna_lillith

999 millions is already way too much. There should be a vital minimum for all allowing everybody for living no matter what, a minimum salary for those working and a maximum wealth indexed on it (even 1 or 2 life-time of it to stay on a human scale wouldn't be as large). Passed that, the amounts are just delirious, nobody should be able to take the world and its future hostage. Even less for selfish reasons.

@anna_lillith That ceiling should also be absolute and under no circumstance be adjusted to inflation.
The tug between rich people not wanting to lose their income too soon because more money is worth less against the pressure to not deflate the currency to encourage reinvesting over saving up should balance out the economy for a while.