For those who aren’t aware, Microsoft have decided to bake essentially an infostealer into base Windows OS and enable by default.

From the Microsoft FAQ: “Note that Recall does not perform content moderation. It will not hide information such as passwords or financial account numbers."

Info is stored locally - but rather than something like Redline stealing your local browser password vault, now they can just steal the last 3 months of everything you’ve typed and viewed in one database.

I've written up my thoughts on the Copilot Recall feature in Microsoft Copilot+ PCs

I think it will enable fraud and endanger users, and is not the sign of a company who are committed to security first.

https://doublepulsar.com/how-the-new-microsoft-recall-feature-fundamentally-undermines-windows-security-aa072829f218

How the new Microsoft Recall feature fundamentally undermines Windows security

Yesterday, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella sat down with the media to introduce a new feature called Recall, as part of their Copilot+ PCs. It takes screenshots of what you’re doing on constantly, by…

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The UK’s ICO have opened an investigation into Copilot+ Recall. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o
Microsoft Copilot+ Recall feature 'privacy nightmare'

The ICO wants to know the safeguards around Recall, which can take screengrabs of your screen every few seconds.

BBC News

Copilot+ Recall has been enabled by default globally in Microsoft Intune managed users, for businesses.

You need to enable DisableAIDataAnalysis to switch it off. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/client-management/manage-recall

Manage Recall for Windows clients

Learn how to manage Recall for commercial environments and about Recall features.

Here’s Copilot+ Recall search in action, showing instant text based search finding a WhatsApp chat and a PDF from 6 months ago being viewed on screen.

Two quick updates -

A) if you disallow recording of a website in Control Panel or GPO, in Chrome it is still recorded - disallow recording only works in Edge browser

B) Firefox and Tor Browser is recorded always, including in private mode - the exception is Hollywood DRM’d videos

I got ahold of the Copilot+ software.

Recall uses a bunch of services themed CAP - Core AI Platform. Enabled by default.

It spits constant screenshots (the product brands then “snapshots”, but they’re hooked screenshots) into the current user’s AppData as part of image storage.

The NPU processes them and extracts text, into a database file.

The database is SQLite, and you can access it as the user including programmatically. It 100% does not need physical access and can be stolen.

And if you didn’t believe me.. found this on TikTok.

There’s an MSFT employee in the background saying “I don’t know if the team is going to be very happy…”

They should probably be transparent about it, rather than telling BBC News you’d need to be physically at the PC to hack it (not true). Just a thought.

I ponder if Microsoft's engineers are following the SQLite code of ethics, since they're using it in Windows OS with Copilot+ Recall? :D https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html
Code Of Ethics

So the code underpinning Copilot+ Recall includes a whole bunch of Azure AI backend code, which has ended up in the Windows OS. It also has a ton of API hooks for user activity monitoring.

Apps themselves can also search and make themselves more searchable.

It opens a lot of attack surface.

The semantic search element is fun.

They really went all in with this and it will have profound negative implications for the safety of people who use Microsoft Windows.

If you want to know where tech companies are with AI safety, know Microsoft Recall won’t record screenshots of DRM’d movies..

..but will record screenshots of your financial records and WhatsApp messages, as corporate interests were prioritised over user safety.

And it’s enabled by default.

I’ve managed to get Recall working in full on a non-Copilot+ system, without an NPU. Will accelerate testing.

Copilot+ Recall feature pop quiz:

You deal with a sensitive matter on my Windows PC. E.g. an email you delete. Does Copilot Recall still store the deleted email?

Answer: yes. There's no feature to delete screenshots of things you delete while using your PC. You would have to remember to go and purge screenshots that Recall makes every few seconds.

If you or a friend use disappearing messages in WhatsApp, Signal etc, it is recorded regardless.

It comes up a lot as people are rightly confused, but if you wonder what problem Microsoft are trying to solve with Recall:

It isn't them being evil, it's business leaders who are middle aged and can't remember what they're doing driving decision making about which problems to solve.

A huge amount of business leaders are dudes who have no idea what the fuck is happening. This leads to the Recall feature.

Microsoft exists in and is driven by that bubble.

I asked Microsoft Copilot to write a song about Copilot+ Recall.
Managed to find out how BBC News printed in a headline story that it was not possible to steal Recall data without being physically at the device (which is false) - this is from the journalist:

Some screenshots of Recall's SQLite database here: https://mastodon.social/@detective/112513529733646088

Just to clarify, I can access it without SYSTEM too. Microsoft are about to set cybersecurity back a decade by empowering cyber criminals via poor AI safety. Feature ships in a few weeks.

The latest Risky Business episode on Recall is good, but one small correction - it doesn’t need SYSTEM rights.

Here’s a video of two MSFT employees gaining access to the Recall database folder - with SQLite database right there. Watch their hacking skills. (You don’t need to go this length as an attacker, either). Cc @riskybusiness

I’m not being hyperbolic when I say this is the dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade. Good luck to my parents safely using their PC.

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

My look at the feature, FAQs from the community etc

https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e

Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible with two lines of code — inside the Copilot+ Recall disaster.

I wrote a piece recently about Copilot+ Recall, a new Microsoft Windows 11 feature which — in the words of Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella- takes “screenshots” of your PC constantly, and makes it into an…

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this is the out of box experience for Windows 11's new Recall feature on Copilot+ PCs. It's enabled by default during setup and you can't disable it directly here. There is an option to tick "open Settings after setup completes so I can manage my Recall preferences" instead.

HT @tomwarren

You allow BYOD so people can pick up webmail and such. It’s okay, because when they leave you revoke their access, and your MDM removes all business data from the machine ✅

What the employee does: opens Recall, searches their email, files etc and pastes the data elsewhere.

Nothing is removed from Recall, as it is a photographic memory of everything the former employee did.

Just in time for Copilot+ Recall!

Security and privacy researchers - You can now install Copilot+ Recall on any ARM hardware (doesn’t need an NPU) or in Azure VMs.

Guide from @detective

The devices launch THIS MONTH to customers so I suggest people look at this.

https://github.com/thebookisclosed/AmperageKit

GitHub - thebookisclosed/AmperageKit: One stop shop for enabling Recall in Windows 11 version 24H2 on unsupported devices

One stop shop for enabling Recall in Windows 11 version 24H2 on unsupported devices - thebookisclosed/AmperageKit

GitHub
Nvidia just announced that Copilot+ and Recall are coming to AMD systems. https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/2/24169568/microsoft-copilot-plus-gaming-pc-nvidia-amd
Nvidia and AMD are bringing Microsoft’s Copilot Plus AI features to gaming laptops

Asus and MSI are launching AMD- and Nvidia-powered gaming laptops that include Microsoft’s Copilot Plus AI features.

The Verge
Somebody made a tool called Total Recall to dump Recall database and screenshots. https://x.com/xaitax/status/1797349055917416457?s=46
Alex (@xaitax) on X

Will release TotalRecall in a few days. Loads to play with and to work on. Thank you @GossiTheDog for the inspiration! #WindowsRecall #CyberSecurity #Microsoft #TotalRecall

X (formerly Twitter)

Recent DHS published report handed to the US President which said it had "identified a series of Microsoft operational and strategic decisions that collectively pointed to a corporate culture that deprioritized enterprise security investments and rigorous risk management"

Microsoft: let’s use AI to screenshot everything users do every 5 seconds, OCR the screenshots, make it searchable and store it in AppData!

Searching Recall database for passwords with @awakecoding
🫡

If anybody is wondering if you can enable Recall on a machine remotely without Copilot+ hardware support - yep.

I’ve also found a way to disable the tray icon.

I went and looked at YouTube for Recall to get out of the echo chamber and I can only find one positive video. Even the people at the event are slating it, including people with media provided Copilot+ PCs.

There’s some content creators who’ve realised it records their credit cards, so they’re making videos of their cards going walkies.

@GossiTheDog
Who had the positive video?
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I ponder if Microsoft's engineers are following the SQLite code of ethics, since they're using it in Windows OS with Copilot+ Recall? :D https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html

So the code underpinning Copilot+ Recall includes a whole bunch of Azure AI backend code, which has ended up in the Windows OS. It also has a ton of API hooks for user activity monitoring.

Apps themselves can also search and make themselves more searchable.

It opens a lot of attack surface.

The semantic search element is fun.

They really went all in with this and it will have profound negative implications for the safety of people who use Microsoft Windows.

If you want to know where tech companies are with AI safety, know Microsoft Recall won’t record screenshots of DRM’d movies..

..but will record screenshots of your financial records and WhatsApp messages, as corporate interests were prioritised over user safety.

And it’s enabled by default.

I’ve managed to get Recall working in full on a non-Copilot+ system, without an NPU. Will accelerate testing.

Copilot+ Recall feature pop quiz:

You deal with a sensitive matter on my Windows PC. E.g. an email you delete. Does Copilot Recall still store the deleted email?

Answer: yes. There's no feature to delete screenshots of things you delete while using your PC. You would have to remember to go and purge screenshots that Recall makes every few seconds.

If you or a friend use disappearing messages in WhatsApp, Signal etc, it is recorded regardless.

It comes up a lot as people are rightly confused, but if you wonder what problem Microsoft are trying to solve with Recall:

It isn't them being evil, it's business leaders who are middle aged and can't remember what they're doing driving decision making about which problems to solve.

A huge amount of business leaders are dudes who have no idea what the fuck is happening. This leads to the Recall feature.

Microsoft exists in and is driven by that bubble.

I asked Microsoft Copilot to write a song about Copilot+ Recall.
Managed to find out how BBC News printed in a headline story that it was not possible to steal Recall data without being physically at the device (which is false) - this is from the journalist:

@GossiTheDog

Right. Because Microsoft never, ever, told a lie to a reporter before, right?

Right?

@GossiTheDog

So they republished a press release or press statement?

Last time I checked that was called Public Relations not Journalism 🫤

@GossiTheDog I've noticed that direct criticism of Microsoft seems built into the model safety, similar to how talk of the benefit unions have is built into Amazons.
@GossiTheDog I'm sorry, is *that* how you say "Copilot"?
IS MY LIFE A LIE?
@GossiTheDog How about they just finally fixed file search instead? :D

@janneoksanen @GossiTheDog exactly. Windows file search is great for small folders, for big ones it returns either nothing or everything. And Mac internal search has been getting worse.

It would be a great use of this new computing power.

And if someone wants to opt in to have their email, texts, etc also searchable, fine. I too have wasted time trying to find a message, unsure what platform it was in. But when i delete something I want it to be gone.

@GossiTheDog a cop in every home computer

@yaldi @GossiTheDog a cop, a criminal, an NSA, and a stalker, all at once

Definitely rich white guy brain in action

@GossiTheDog I'm pretty sure Signal will make something with the DRM protection for avoiding this. They have already exploited the DRM hardware for contact discovery without storing anything.
@GossiTheDog I hope your testing finds a way to drive a stake through its heart.

@GossiTheDog

Interested layperson here:

From what you've seen so far, can you draw a conclusion that a computer with recall running sends more data than usual to Microsoft, maybe "disguised" as part of diagnostics data for example.

I wonder if recall is a fishing expedition in task mining and if so, how Microsoft, despite having promised that recall does not run in the cloud, could get the data nevertheless.

@GossiTheDog It'll be interesting to see what this OOBE actually is. They seem to imply you could turn it off, but given how OneDrive (as example) seems to force folder sync how clear will it be turning this off is possible? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy-and-control-over-your-recall-experience-d404f672-7647-41e5-886c-a3c59680af15
Privacy and control over your Recall experience - Microsoft Support

@GossiTheDog

I started my work life in accounting and computers have made so many aspects of that work so much easier.

But I am at the point where I think it’s time to burn all this shit to the ground and get out the paper ledgers and 10 keys again.

I swear, every other day it’s another shit-tastic addition to some heavily used piece of software that no one asked for, is poorly made, and creates massive security holes.

@cafechatnoir I'm in my mid-50s, and believe me, that reflex is getting oooold. I'm sure I remember consumer affairs programmes running stories about computerised billing system SNAFUs in the 1970s.

@GossiTheDog

@cafechatnoir @GossiTheDog honestly at this point it's either that or lotus 1-2-3
@GossiTheDog phah! Not even original - Rick and Morty did that seasons ago! https://youtube.com/shorts/aGBKYRBwG7E?si=jMKTJCb_2x9t7UK6
Bevor Sie zu YouTube weitergehen

@GossiTheDog sounds like a massive shit show waiting to happen. I better stock up on🍿 !
@GossiTheDog in 2004, Tony Soprano orders OnStar removed from every new car. In 2024, Tony's successor orders Recall didabled on every new computer.
@GossiTheDog the GDPR test case will be interesting...
@BibbleCo @GossiTheDog Thank you for submitting your complaint to GDPR. Unfortunately, scanning everything was allowed in the T&Cs... which were on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.

@8tpercent @GossiTheDog

"The lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs!"

Small print doesn't really cut it, though, it needs to be informed consent. The victim, sorry 'data subject' needs to *genuinely* know & understand what they're agreeing to, and IIRC the directive rules out hiding significant detail in "paragraph 3, subsection 42" of agreements no-one ever reads.

@BibbleCo @8tpercent @GossiTheDog

But lets be honest - all of us living under the GDPR protections know how "informed consent" is handled by big companies.

[ ] by using this feature I accept the additions to the <privacy policy>

With the policy linked and no-one ever going to actually read all 300 pages of it or if they do understand the content.

@heals @8tpercent @GossiTheDog Hmmm yeah that's a fair point! Under-resourced UK ICO have been slack at enforcement. What we need is an eccentric billionnaire who enjoys litigation as a hobby...
@BibbleCo @GossiTheDog I figure we're just heading for versions of Windows that are compliant with European laws and maximized-datamining versions for everyone else.
@GossiTheDog in my country, I access health records on the web, send and receive messages to doctors about health things on the web, basically every last government service is a website.
@GossiTheDog The problem with creating those sorts of exceptions is that it demonstrates the concept of "knew, or should have known".
@GossiTheDog At least, it will have profound positive implications for the safety of people who decide to switch to #Linux based systems. 😉 Jokes aside, thank you very much for your work and educating the general public. 👍
@LukasBrausch @GossiTheDog one good side of the shift to so much cloud+browser based SaaS is that none of of it really cares if you're on Windows anymore. No more "IE and ActiveX required"
@GossiTheDog what?! You're telling me that Microsoft is being the truth on what "On your local PC" means? That they'll just hand your data off to other partners and apps. Shocked. Absolutely shocked.

@seattleswiftie @GossiTheDog "Shocked. Shocked I am, that gambling should be taking place on these premises!"

"Your winnings, Captain."

"Oh, thank you."

@GossiTheDog And how many other devices are there that aren't what we think of as traditional computers, but run Windows? Plenty of ATMs, POS, every medical office I've been in... None of these should have such a feature, ever.
@GossiTheDog wait... What? Can you please explain further or point me to a reference?
@GossiTheDog luckily for now it works only on a specific laptop that I would never buy
@GossiTheDog Does anybody know of any malware analysis reports, of #recall , that may be available?

@GossiTheDog

Consider...

This is a "feature" M$ held worthy of letting us know about cause they expected we'd want it...

Imagine what's in Windoze they haven't let us know about to avoid expected reaction...

🤔🤔🤔

Screenshot of most of #3 'The Rule', illustrating the long list of text
@GossiTheDog what the fuck lol
Code Of Ethics

@rubinjoni @GossiTheDog uh yes, it's linked in the post I replied to?
@gsuberland @GossiTheDog sorry, I didn't see the link. So I checked manually, because I can't tell if anything is a shitpost these days...
SQLite creator crucified after code of conduct warns devs to love God, and not kill, commit adultery, steal, curse...

Database creator explains Christian-based rules to El Reg

The Register
@GossiTheDog Right above The Rule, it actually say that "No one is required to follow The Rule, to know The Rule, or even to think that The Rule is a good idea."
@GossiTheDog I haven’t looked yet but is “there is nothing that is hidden that will not be revealed” there too?
@GossiTheDog I thought the rules only applied to *developers of* SQLite, not those using/developing *with* it?
@ddlyh @GossiTheDog Yeah, that's what the first few lines say.
@GossiTheDog Ah damn, I also already failed at rule 1 😄
@GossiTheDog they say it explicitly only applies to their volunteers, so if you use ship SQLite you're not bound by their code of ethics