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So when do we put a stop to this feodalist capitalist horror that is also destroying our planet now?
Janis@bhasic People are trying. We need a more effective way to get through. Whacha got? https://www.weforum.org/press/2022/04/private-equity-firms-can-be-catalysts-to-fighting-climate-change-here-is-how/
@janisf Capitalism can't be fixed by more capitalism. Labor movement is the only entity big enough that could change things. It has done it before.
Voting only slows things getting full fascist and corporate rule. It's what capitalism is meant to become and politics is just a brake for its progress.
Voting only slows things getting full fascist and corporate rule. It's what capitalism is meant to become and politics is just a brake for its progress.
@bhasic
Sudden change is what kills.
Look, my 90-year-old mom needs her Medicare, and Social Security. Fprgive me for being pro-system, but a whole lot of Americans are getting their basic needs met with it. I'm not OK with movements that threaten lives.
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Well luckily socialist and communist movements aren't movements that threaten lives in that they would also ensure social security and medical care, and even more so because socialism/communism ensures these things as basic human rights available to everyone no matter what, unlike in capitalism.
Well luckily socialist and communist movements aren't movements that threaten lives in that they would also ensure social security and medical care, and even more so because socialism/communism ensures these things as basic human rights available to everyone no matter what, unlike in capitalism.
@Radical_EgoCom @bhasic There's plenty of talk about violent revolution, and revolutionary change in a short period of time will leave the most vulnerable to take up the slack. The rest of us are working on state healthcare plans that wrest the good coverage away from employers, and more-available subsidized housing. I'd say those are solid incremental changes. And they are happening.
Jeremy List@Radical_EgoCom @janisf @bhasic yeah as far as strategy goes the only thing we need violence for is dealing with people who bring violence to us: the thing that will actually bring the old system down is simply offering people a better deal than it does (in a sense we do already but we don't have the participation required to do so effectively)
@jeremy_list @Radical_EgoCom @bhasic Bingo.
If you want traction, go to church. I'm pretty convinced you can see the logic behind that.
@jeremy_list @Radical_EgoCom @bhasic We wait until capitalism is offering enough people a s*y deal. I think we're mostly there. We just have to sell it.