Me, an idiot: “So, kids, by setting the thermostat a little lower and eating less meat, we’re doing our part to make the world more sustainable”

VCs, very smart: “We just raised $100 billion dollars from the sovereign wealth funds of three petrostates to build the world’s largest AI supercomputer. It uses as much power and water as Guatemala and the primary use case is for management consultants to autogenerate powerpoints for justifying mass layoffs.”

I am in no way clever enough to make up that bit about petrostates funding AI, it’s an actual thing on this, the worst timeline

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/19/business/saudi-arabia-investment-artificial-intelligence.html

Saudi Arabia Plans $40 Billion Push Into Artificial Intelligence

The Middle Eastern country is creating a gigantic fund to invest in A.I. technology, potentially becoming the largest player in the hot market.

The New York Times

Marc Andreessen: “And another thing! We would’ve solved climate change in the 70s if the pesky environmentalists hadn’t killed nuclear power!”

Also Marc Andreessen: “I’m proud to announce we’re working with one of the most brutal, repressive, corrupt regimes in history to help them launder their oil money on a computer that uses ⅛ of the global electric supply to generate ransom notes.”

@jimray , then and now mostly capitalism is the spanner in the spokes.
@jimray @rysiek We had water and wind turbines in 1900.

> “I’m proud to announce we’re working with one of the most brutal, repressive, corrupt regimes in history to help them launder their oil money on a computer that uses ⅛ of the global electric supply to generate ransom notes.”

And this is basically why we didn't use them.

Not only was fossil fuels a technological trap, but its non-avoidance was forced into being by such regimes. It wasn't an organic thing.

I think we're all familiar with the solar/photovoltaic panel abduction and death threats story? Same pattern.
@lispi314 @jimray @rysiek I'm not; I only heard about the US trams thing the other day!

@jimray

Andreessen: “AI doesn’t want, it doesn’t have goals, it doesn’t want to kill you, because it’s not alive. AI is a machine—[it’s] not going to come alive any more than your toaster will. . . . AI is not a living being that has been primed by billions of years of evolution to participate in the battle for the survival of the fittest, as animals are, and as we are. It is math—code—computers.”

The AI might not kill us, but, as masters of #AI, Marc and his #Billionaire friends will.

@losfromcp @jimray yeah, its not so much the car i worry about, as the methed up idiot driving it

@jimray Nicely stated!

Not trusting this scenario. The 99% of wealth from productivity improvements only goes upward.

"...Others foresee a golden age of drastically reduced work hours, a shockingly low cost of living, medical breakthroughs and life-span extensions, and the elimination of poverty. Which camp is most likely right?"

https://www.city-journal.org/article/something-like-fire

Something Like Fire

Will the AI revolution warm us or burn us?

City Journal
@losfromcp @jimray shocked to see an AI billionaire say something true about it. Of course it's just to hide something else.
@losfromcp @jimray As @cstross points out, corporations really ARE paperclip maximizers that end up taking the iron out of our blood to make paperclips.
@jimray I wrote months ago how full of bs Andreessen is. He just keeps proving the point. https://robertvanwey.substack.com/p/marc-andreessen-makes-a-strong-argument
Venture Capitalist Makes a Strong Argument for Regulating AI (without meaning to)

How Billionaires... ahem... AI "Will Save the World"

The Evidence Files
@jimray Personally I think if the AI bubble bursts soon but we get a massive nuclear power buildout because of it, that will be a silver lining. As long as the new nuclear generation isn’t as half-baked as the LLMs.

@MisuseCase @jimray can't happen in the US, the lead time for a nuclear build is too long and the AI hypsters don't have enough pull to shorten it.

They'll end up running on solar+storage...

@RandomDamage @MisuseCase @jimray No-one has built civilian nuclear power at the speed we can build hydroelectric plants, let alone wind or solar. Solar and battery makes any speed comparison ridiculous. And that's before considering scale - even NuScale weren't talking about a reactor in every home.
@RandomDamage @MisuseCase @jimray looks like nuclear is a total dead end now

Small reactor even more expensive than large, we need to look for something else.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/science/engineering/small-reactors-dont-add-up/
Small reactors don’t add up as a viable energy source

When evaluated on the basis of cost per unit of power capacity, small modular reactors will actually be more expensive than large reactors. 

Cosmos

@feld @jimray @MisuseCase nuclear power is just fine, it's just buried in fossil fuel powered administratium

Because radiation is scary

@RandomDamage @jimray @MisuseCase It's all too expensive and too slow to build, we will never succeed. We need to build 52 a year.

@feld @RandomDamage @jimray So the thing is, this is basically the position of all the people and institutions who spent years spreading FUD about nuclear so it wouldn’t be built.

“It’s too late to build the nuclear plants we made it difficult to build earlier, we cannot even try to build some of the ones we need, let’s give up on it.”

Not much different from the CEO of Exxon blaming regular folks for climate change.

@MisuseCase @RandomDamage @jimray It's just math. If we want to get off oil on a 50 year schedule we cannot do it by depending on nuclear to save us

@feld @RandomDamage @jimray Whether this is true or not, the reason we haven’t been doing it and can’t do it in time is what I described: people who said “we can’t build nuclear now” for decades, and are now like “it’s too late to build nuclear.”

Like, the people who caused this particular aspect of the problem are talking loudest about the problem.

@MisuseCase @RandomDamage @jimray There's no time to sit here and bemoan the sins of the oil barons. We need to focus on what we can do today.
@feld @RandomDamage @jimray So “let’s change the subject away from this topic now that my argument about it doesn’t look so good?”
@MisuseCase There was no topic change; you just have such poor reading comprehension skills you shouldn't be allowed on social media without parental supervision
@RandomDamage @feld @jimray Now they don’t say that, they say “nuclear is too expensive and slow.” Like we won’t need energy after 2050 or not being able to build 50 plants a year means we can only build 0.

@jimray
Yeah, the nuclear power thing ain't wrong.

If by solving you mean "gained 10 years, and solved 15% of the issue"...

@cstross

@jimray Up to now, I've grumbled about guilt trips over individuals failing to pretend-recycle every last scrappet of plastic, while corporations get to play 3-card Monty buying and selling (at profit) 'credits' rather than cleaning up their messes.

Everything about this what you've linked is _much_ worse.

@Isocat @jimray Plastic recycling if very effective... at making consumers feel good about using more plastic.
@jimray Jesus Christ, right in front of my salad?
@jimray everything that the fossil fuel industry touches, turns into sh*t...
@jimray we really need to get into crime
@rstevens it seems the important part of doing crime without facing any consequences is you have to already be rich.
Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching

Various Authors Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching 1993 A note from the web-publisher: I put this up to make ecodefence information available to...

The Anarchist Library
@kozy138 @jimray @rstevens The docs you link are clearly based on some faulty research, because in the intro of one it states "Purposeful stupidity is contrary to human nature"
@jimray @kozy138 @rstevens This probably needs a content warning. Without clicking on the links it’s pretty hard to tell that your IP is going to be added to a CIA database of people that have tried to read stuff on terrorism.
@obviousdwest @jimray @rstevens maybe if enough people click and read it, we can flood their database with user data. That way, if they ever tried to narrow down suspects using the download database, it would be impossible to know who was actually doing the monkey wrenching.
@rstevens @kozy138 @jimray Rickrolling, hard core.
@obviousdwest @rstevens @kozy138 @jimray never gonna give earth up, never gonna let her down, never gonna run away while they destroy you!
@jimray It seems the real lesson that history teaches is that to get away with crime, you need to do crime at geopolitical scales.
@jimray @rstevens @dangillmor
Or be very good at *pretending* to be rich.
@jimray @rstevens or we as a whole collectively practice it
@jimray You _definitely_ could raise a couple hundred mil for that if you phrased it as "Virtual AI Companion for Management Advisors to aid in sustainably optimizing workforce allocation and operational expenses"

@jimray big problems like the climate crisis cannot be solved at the individual level, these are systemic problems driven by the selection pressures of the global capitalist system.

Abolishing capitalism is the only way forward.

@yogthos @jimray I believe parallel fight on individual/societal levels.
That's why I train throwing molotovs while riding my foldable bike.
@yogthos @jimray this is true, but you need to train individuals to recognize and want to fight (hard) and destroy the feedback loops leading to that system state, and that goes with individual actions. At scales.
The only other way I know if is getting an individual to a place of power high enough but as you said, current system is not letting that kind of individuals reaching these positions (and betting on the benevolent master mind is bordering with magical thinking)

@fanf42 @jimray I agree, there are no quick solutions to the problem.

Educating and organizing people into an effective political movement is a long and difficult process.

Unfortunately, the alternative is that capitalism simply descends into fascism as it tends to do in times of crisis. This is looking like an increasingly likely scenario across the western world.

@jimray This is what I mean for blaming the cattle for the actions of Exxon-Mobil.
@jimray big corporations and ultra Rich need to do their part
#ClimateAction

@jimray

Bart: “so individual action can’t make a difference?”

Homer: “ah ah ah! Individual action can’t make a _positive_ difference”

@jimray begging the question what we should be doing instead
@anarchiv @jimray Why not do both? Why is it always an either or solution? Are humans merely binary computers?
@carolannie @jimray
I didn't mean to imply this was an either-or thing, to the contrary - I was more interested in what the "or" might entail
@anarchiv everything we can, including naming, shaming, and possibly guillotining the rich and powerful who negate our efforts

@jimray

Those don’t call those motherfucking sacks of shit, of which Taylor Swifts father is one, Vulture Capitalists for nothing.

@jimray If there would be #co2 account progressive taxation could be applied and salaries could be freed. Companies accounts would be based to company id and have reductions based salary receivers.