I believe Politico privately considers "No Labels" to be a spoiler operation designed to put Trump back in the White House. But like other willfully blind journalism organizations, it treats the group as "centrist" with honest motivations.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/trump-donor-no-labels-adviser-00113395
It's likely that some supporters do honestly believe they're helping to improve politics. But they are the Jill Stein voters of 2024 and should be called out as such.
@dangillmor
The problem with this demonizing of any alternative choices beyond forced wealth serving establishment is that it's a vicious cycle giving poorly representative candidates. 2020 saw the disgusting organized crush of front runner populist Sanders. Does anyone really want Harris after Biden?
This is what you're pushing. Who deserves to be sneered at on a "Jill Stein voters" level?
@Silversalty Do you prefer Trump to Biden, yes or no? Supporting a third-party candidate is a yes.
BTW what are the answers, as you see them, to your questions?
@dangillmor
I preferred Sanders to HRC and Biden. At least HRC had some semblence of favor. Biden was bum rushed to the nomination with help from the corrupt "Firewall."
Do you prefer a party that repeatedly blocks populist choices for its 'commissoned' wealth service?
Don't play me with these disgusting forced choices.
@dangillmor
And if Biden loses to Trump due to his uninspiring person and positions (student debt) (as was the case with 2016 HRC) will you accept blame for Trump2 for pushing him?
No you won't. You only want to project blame.
@Silversalty Here's your logic:
Biden -- far and away more progressive than the left expected -- hasn't done everything the left wanted.
The left's response should therefore be to put Trump back in the White House to punish the Democrats?
@dangillmor
No one on the 'left' would ever vote for Trump. They might stay home.
I expect Biden to do much more on student debt as crunch time approaches bc he'll be dead otherwise. So good of him.
Drugs? Another piecemeal approach to a completely controlled 'market' that kills thousands every year. Yeah!
Have you seen what Biden has done on student debt?
It's quite a lot.
Under the new income-based repayment plan my son will pay (assuming current income is stable) ~$15,500 over 10 years and have ~$67,000 wiped away at the end of those 10 years (assuming those lovely Trump judges don't f this up too...).
We are all going to get a presidential administration in 2024. I hope you enjoy the one we get
LET Garland get blocked? Pushed Trump to run?
That's an interesting twist on reality.
@joeinwynnewood
Do you think a Repub pres would react as calmly as Obama did?
The Clintons, friends of Trump, encouraged Trump to run.
The demeanor of the President has jack shit to do with political power in the United States Senate. Complete BS.
What evidence do you have that they were friends in 2015 or that they encouraged him to run?
@Silversalty @dangillmor The problem is that, until we get ranked choice voting or approval voting at the federal level, 3rd parties can siphon votes away from the Democrats. This can result in Republicans winning. If all the Jill Stein voters in 2016 had voted for Hillary, she would have won.
This isn't to say that Jill Stein voters were solely responsible for Hillary's loss. They weren't by any stretch of the imagination. Still, 3rd parties - esp ones like No Labels can do more harm than good
@chucker @dangillmor
Much simpler. Bring back a real progressive tax structure. 90% for top rate. Too much money to fight the BS wave.
Look at the Dem establishment "Firewall." Bought and paid for.
Bidenomics.
Isn't Politico openly dedicated to realpolitik, and sees its job as limited to tracking the flow of power and the actions of the powerful?
I'd always assumed that was the case, based on their reporting, and would be stunned to find out that they've got some mission statement that even mentions "truth", or "justice".
@dangillmor I suspect Politico sees that as the responsible and professional way to write this coverage.
That sort of attitude doesn't make much sense to me. If one's standards of professionalism require omitting important information that one knows to be true, then they're the wrong standards.
I'm sorry I have been keeping up lately. But can you tell me....
What exactly is a "Jill Stein" voter?
Thanks. I suppose Cornell West will be this election cycle's scapegoat.
Maybe the Democrats should do 3 things:
1) Learn how to wield power & get rid of the learned helplessness
2) Put forth a narrative to give people something to vote for & then follow through with that narrative.
3) put up candidates that are not perceived as establishment warmongers and geriatrics.
I was a lifelong Democrat until the middle of BClinton's second term. Now I am in a political wilderness.
You are useless.
We are all going to get a presidential administration in 2024. I hope you enjoy the one we all get.
@dangillmor One of the signals that a civilization is in decline: when its institutions are crumbling under their own weight, and most agree, yet nothing can be done.
Our two party system is dysfunctional on multiple levels. Particularly when it comes to presidential elections. Yet the only way to attack it is... to give aid and comfort to people whose aim is to undermine elections.
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