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Shoq 🌿“Stay and fight” is so ludicrous. Fight for what? Fight with what? Users have no leverage against Musk. None. It’s just more insipid rationalization by people who just can’t bear to think about having to lose any part of their follower counts. It’s actually a chance to expand them and make them more meaningful.
Sam Wade@shoq @LillyHerself It’s like trying to bring down the casino by gambling.
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Enema Cowboy@shoq While I'd like for people to leave ꭕ and come to Mastodon, I know that a lot of them don't like Mastodon for various reasons. But that doesn't mean that they should stay on wretched hell site, especially when management has demonstrated that they don't want you there.
@Enema_Cowboy there are other options beside Mastodon and soon there will be more. And the faster they get off their asses and go anywhere else, the faster we will all have better options. I’m losing sympathy for friends there who don’t want to make any effort to build something anywhere else. They’re just wasting time. They will have to go anyway after the site is so toxic no one staying there will be taken seriously
@shoq It would help if some federal agencies and more Democratic politicians would join the Fediverse.
@Enema_Cowboy That is precisely what I want to focus on this year. The first one is the always the hardest.
rus@Enema_Cowboy @shoq I get really frustrated when I'm looking for local government information and get directed to a Facebook group or Twitter post. Honestly, I'm usually getting directed there *from* the agency's webpage. It seems cart before the horse backwards to have the webpage direct me to FB\Twitter instead of the other way around.
@Enema_Cowboy @shoq I feel the same frustration with companies, but at least with smaller companies they may only have a FB page (which is still ridiculous to me), but for larger companies I feel the same way.
Activity Pub makes it even worse, as a company can pretty easily set a news page to federate automatically.
Squirrely Danette@rusozoll @Enema_Cowboy @shoq It's pure laziness on their part. They don't want to take the time to maintain both a web page and a website.
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Laimis@shoq maaadddeeennning
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@shoq I'd be curious to see how many of those followers are active users of Twitter too. You could have a large follower number but only reach a tiny number of people in the worse case I suppose.
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Lol do people actually see twitter the same way they see their country? Of course fight for your nation, but a social media platform?
Of course, but therein lies a different problem. How come the community you're emotionally attached to is 100% online?
Zorin =^o.o^=@shoq Yeah I've mostly stopped posting there. There's nothing to save. Am happy here. I'm also on Bluesky. Writing your post in a vat of shit using a stick is preferable to X, really.
Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲@zorinlynx @shoq I entirely stopped. There's a few I miss keeping up with over there but I just can't deal with that hellhole of a website anymore. It's so much better and nicer over here!
MaybeMyMonkeys@shoq users don’t owe Twitter anything and Twitter doesn’t owe them.
Dmitri ☕️@shoq there’s a close-knit community I chat with on Twitter and many of them remain there for various reasons. I wish they all migrated here but they aren’t. Which is why I use Twitter sometimes and I am tired of being guilted by it.
@analog_cafe I’m not guilting them. I don’t say this to them. There’s no point in that. They made their decision long ago. That doesn’t mean I or anyone else has to approve of it. I don’t mind their staying. I mind their not trying to leave. Some made token efforts. It was silly. It’s still silly. They know it’s very dangerous network now. But it’s all they care to know, and they defend their right to have it.
WTL@shoq Fight with the owner of the service? As if we can change his mind as he slides deeper down the conspiracy-theory slide. We can't magically recapture the site from him using our wit.
GreenDotGuy@shoq 'staying' on a social network only strengthens the power it has.
@shoq The leverage that users of Twitter have is their ability to leave the platform and stop interacting with it.
Pusher Of Pixels (old account)@shoq it's just a bet that he'll lose interest and let it revert (if even possible) or exit via bankruptcy and someone sane takes over.
Less 'stay and fight' and more 'tread water in sewage'
@pixelpusher220 @shoq It won't happen and assuming it will is foolish.
@jlroberson @shoq that's sorta what 'treading water in sewage' is meant to convey.
Bankruptcy is entirely possible though, maybe even likely.
@pixelpusher220 @shoq It won't matter.
Ken Washio@shoq Well said
TC Won't Give In To Lies@shoq
Twitter is seriously unsafe. You are not helping your followers by giving them a reason to stay (but you are giving Musk even more content)
The house is on fire and the heroes are the ones who lead other people out.
#TwitterMigration
John Infante@shoq “Stay and fight” maybe makes sense when talking about people living in Florida or Texas, not for choosing which social media network to post on.
@shoq @briankrebs leave *to* fight is the best way to deal with this situation.
Twitter is dead. X is dying. Just move on to
Something else!
Bored Baby@shoq Another problem with "stay and fight" is that most people seriously underestimate the power of a place's culture to seep into their own mindset. No, staying there won't turn good people into Nazis, but elements of the larger culture there can start to influence users' thinking, even if in less pronounced ways.
Jane Adams@shoq I have more followers on here than I did on Twitter and half of those ones were bots lol
Kevin Teljeur ❄️@shoq @dangillmor I jumped almost a year ago, but being able to drop a social network immediately is a privilege. People are literally losing their livelihoods and critical support networks. Services have not set up accounts elsewhere yet. I can afford to be cut off from various things, but it’s harder for more marginalised people.
Charity Feb@kevinteljeur @shoq @dangillmor Yes. This is why I'm still on FB, which I loathe. It is literally the only place for me to find medical answers for #TBI, #LongCovid and more - and the folks who established the networks housed there haven't the spoons to move them.
Erotic Mythology 🌹@shoq I was hoping to bring people over to Mastodon but it hasn't been super successful. A few of my friends made it and I'm keeping my account so I still have the means to contact some of them but I haven't posted there for months except for promoting the Fediverse and I don't intend to. Might rather delete all other tweets but I'm not sure how the archive I made works (md files) and if / how I can browse it.
@AimeeMaroux.That’s why I keep my account as well. There has to be a communications link to them, for that moment when we figure out how to better explain, promote and populate this decentralized concept. We left it up to the press to explain it the first time around, and except for folks like @MikeMasnik being the very big exceptions, that was a very big mistake.
Pamela Barroway – Biz Editor@shoq So so tired hearing this argument. I’ve tried to convince some #smallbiz follows to come over here (or just decamp to somewhere) but many, even with declining engagement, say versions of “It doesn’t concern me / biz accounts,” “All my followers are here,” “It’s too hard to rebuild somewhere else.” 😑 #smallbusiness #TwitterMigration
Allen B. Skye@shoq I visited Twitter yesterday to get a little snarky trolling out of my system. May just post once a day to troll Tom Fitton until he blocks me.
PEdmond2@shoq I'm not concerned about my follow numbers. I miss not having local news, local sports, local information, local weather during severe weather. National news here is okay, but I subscribe to a number of national publications so don't come here for that. As a result, I don't come here much. Wish things were different, since I don't like the idea of helping musk by being on Twitter.
Marquis Lafayette for Harris@shoq Staying is surrendering when ones presence makes the profit.
Neal OnionsTrue. It’s the classic “you are the product” issue. Your presence on X perpetuates the platform.
Seems to me the financial winners of the Twitter meltdown are probable Meta, Google and to some extent Amazon taking the Twitter advertising money.
Mastodon has also obviously been a winner with amongst other things improved user numbers and great new client software like Ivory. I like it here. @ivory
FrostyTSM@shoq this is also my mindset as a leftist living in the south watching fascists entrench power and disenfranchise minority voters. If it were just me I was caring for, I'll stay and fight till it's burned down, but I got kids to worry about and I don't want them growing up in the precursor to Handmaid's Tale.
Doreen32128 ready to rumble!@shoq I agree they have a large # of followers that they don’t want to lose. I get it but there comes a time when you need to take a stand.
Nicholas Weaver@shoq @micahflee
The only thing I use my Twitter account for is to keep it live by occasionally tweeting insults at Pony Stark, waiting for the inevitable bankruptcy and the renewed era of Morgan Stanley
The only thing I use my Twitter account for is to keep it live by occasionally tweeting insults at Pony Stark, waiting for the inevitable bankruptcy and the renewed era of Morgan Stanley
@shoq This. There is literally nothing anyone can do to "fight" Musk unless you've got $45 billion around. At this point people who stay are cowards and actively complicit in the things Musk does, because if the decent people all left #Twitter. #X or whatever, it would suddenly be Gab, and nobody pays attention to Gab but Nazis and the FBI.
As for those who whine their jobs depend on Twitter: your short-sightedness is your own fault.
As for those who whine their jobs depend on Twitter: your short-sightedness is your own fault.
LisPi@shoq It doesn't really even make sense either.
It would vaguely make sense if it was meant in a sense of hacktivism and taking over the platform/infrastructure from the corposcum, but doing so would be silly when making something better instead would take less effort and be more durable.
Martha Howell@shoq
Never understood this. He controls the algorithms, so any protest is being heard by no one.
Never understood this. He controls the algorithms, so any protest is being heard by no one.
Dym Sohin@shoq brand dont pay for meaning, they cant track it
@shoq exactly. re-rally around something we have a better chance of control. any corporate social media site is at risk of being bought and sunk.
Kevin RussellXitter is typing in a closet with no one reading your posts.
xitter is emailing Press Releases, to billionaire owned media, with Musk's logo.
Ceremus@shoq I wouldn't advise people to stay on Twitter if they feel it unsafe or detrimental, but for my part I'm not there to save it.
I browse the site with adblock and Blue Blocker extensions, I have over 11K bluecheck accounts blocked. Large blocklists hammer the site, and blocking checkmark accounts diminishes the program's value.
Twitter is already dead, the only question is how much of Elon's money I can set on fire in its death throes.
Canadian Curmudgeon@shoq I agree, but I also think if all the progressives leave Xitter, then all that will be left is an echo chamber for the rightwing extremists, neo-Nazis, and Putin's trolls. Without anyone has to beard them and rage against their machine, they will be able to spread their toxic ideology more easily.
I prefer to stay, for now, and use both platforms.
#NeverVoteConservative
I prefer to stay, for now, and use both platforms.
#NeverVoteConservative
@CdnCurmudgeon They will do that anyway. We can’t change what they do, and shouldn’t be sucked into competing with their dreck and noise. Eventually when enough serious people are building serious places here in the verse, xitter will become no more than a big Truth Social 2; a sprawling, toxic waste of time and human energy that will embarrass those who remain there like an AOL email or Myspace account did for a long time.
@shoq I see Xitter is already "Truth" Social lite... allowing rightwing extremist spume to infect it. But that's Musk in a nutshell; his ideology, his base,
Jimbo@shoq I just abandoned my old profiles so they soak up bandwidth without any benefit to Musk.
@shoq In a way, leaving Twitter and embracing alternatives like Mastodon is a much more effective way to "fight." Elon is trying to interrupt the discourse between liberals and non-conservatives. By leaving and bringing that discourse elsewhere, we are making it impossible for him to stop it. And Mastodon gives way more control over curating your feed.