KevinM1 ♿️ 🎮 💻Jul 23, 2023
tetchy af

Stop using Chrome as your daily driver.

Google proposed adding DRM to Chrome, which will be used to stop ad blockers, privacy tools, password plugins, accessibility/reader modes.

The only way to stop Google’s Chrome from wrecking the internet like Internet Explorer did for many year is to switch to a NOT chromium-based browser as soon as possible for your day to day. You’ve got Safari and Firefox as your choices.

I know you’ll have to use Chrome sometimes because it’s already happening.

Jul 23, 2023 at 2:44pmWeb
Show threadSummer Emacs 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦🍎🐃Jul 23, 2023
@af @otfrom I use Safari since years and Firefox too sometimes. I totally agree w/ you. 🙃
Show threadMaikel 🇪🇺 | Hire Me!Jul 23, 2023
@af I use Firefox

I never have to use Chrome at all.

I don't get your final sentence.
Show threadCallistoJul 25, 2023
@maikel @af Firefox has been my primary ever since Netscape went down, but there are fewer and fewer websites that will work with it - including the website of an organization I co-lead, but delegate web duties with which I have zero skill.
Show threadFunny Konstantin  Jul 23, 2023
@af Safari user here. It’s perfect for everything from webdev to browsing and actually faster than the alternatives. And yes, Chrome has been deprecated and removed from the Good place.
Show threadgarpuJul 23, 2023
@af What about chromium, the open source version?
Show threadRichard TurnerJul 30, 2023
@garpu @af It’s still very tightly controlled by Google.
Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsJul 23, 2023
@af Firefox is hardly a choice, funded by Google.
Show threadAlanJul 23, 2023
@ellenor2000 @af Firefox may be funded by google but they’re technologically independent and are a fine choice for avoiding chrome
Show threadDick Smiths Fair Go SupportersJul 24, 2023

@ellenor2000 @af @metaphase
TorBrowser. Safest mode. Done.

If your bank doesn't like it make them process and read your cheques with vibrant outspokemn words in the signature area.

A week or so ago we suggested a #MagicWand and #MagicEraser for Tor Browser to show or hide, respectively, different page elements without the need for javascript, or fiddling with the source HTML/CSS.

#makeJavascriptOptional

Show threadRichard TurnerJul 30, 2023
@ellenor2000 @af I think this is disingenuous. If Firefox had a greater market share it could reduce its reliance on that default search engine deal with Google. “Funded by Google” implies Google has some influence over Firefox development, which isn’t the case.
Show threadErgonWolfJul 23, 2023
@af Remember how many websites required you to download Silverlight back in the day?
Show threadRaph J 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇵🇸 #HelloQuitteXJul 23, 2023
@af what are the options on mobile ? FF sucks on mobile. I use Bromite but it's Chromium.
Show threadMark CrockerJul 23, 2023

@RaphJ @af I have #IceRaven https://github.com/fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser#iceraven-browser-- installed via FFUpdater (Updater for privacy friendly browsers)
https://f-droid.org/packages/de.marmaro.krt.ffupdater/

I use it when I need to use an extension or have a long read that I probably won't finish in one sitting.

I use the #DuckDuckGoBrowser for most quick reads and transient stuff

Since I am using #GrapheneOS , which has #Vanadium installed by default, I use that for sites where I want to hold onto cookies. It will be interesting how they handle this change

GitHub - fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser: Iceraven Browser

Iceraven Browser. Contribute to fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub
Show threadMark BurtonOct 30, 2023
@mcrocker @RaphJ @af
Just trying out #IceRaven on Android now. Looks rather good and allows acces to many add-ons that Firefox mobile doesn't. Slightly riskier maybe but worth having as a second option.
Show threadMark BurtonNov 3, 2023
@mcrocker @RaphJ @af
After a few days I'm very satisfied and have made it the default browser, mainly so I can run Consent-O-Matic.
Unpaywall would be good too (finds legal non-paywalled version of articles).
Show threadblackknight95857669Jul 23, 2023
@RaphJ @af For mobile I use Mull browser, installed via F-droid. It's Mozilla based, but it's "de-blobbed" and uses a bunch of Tor Uplift features. uBlock Origin + Dark Reader makes a lot of the web less annoying.
Show threadWalter TrossJul 24, 2023
@RaphJ
what makes you say FF sucks on mobile? I use it all the time, and have almost nothing to complain (and I'm a full-stack developer)
@af
Show threadRaph J 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇵🇸 #HelloQuitteXJul 24, 2023
@waltertross @af It is slow as hell and buggy.
Show threadWalter TrossJul 24, 2023
@RaphJ would you have example websites where FF is slow/buggy? I haven't noticed either yet.
@af
Show threadRaph J 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇵🇸 #HelloQuitteXJul 24, 2023
@waltertross @af Well I tried it 5 years ago and it was mostly long scrolling on Twitter / reddit that made it crash. I didn't give it a try since then.
Show threadWalter TrossJul 24, 2023
@RaphJ @af Oh, things have changed in 5 years! Anyway, I just tried Twitter in both Chrome and Firefox, and a) I haven't been able to make it crash by scrolling and scrolling, b) the scrolling is smoother in Chrome than in Firefox, but even in Chrome it's not completely smooth, c) I haven't been able to see any other difference in speed (but that would probably require some other website)
Show threadRaph J 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇵🇸 #HelloQuitteXJul 25, 2023
@waltertross @af thanks i'll give it abother try.
Show threadClaude GohierJul 25, 2023
@RaphJ @waltertross @af
Also, you can install uBlock Origin in mobile Firefox.
Show threadOhMyD3vil Jul 23, 2023
@af I use Firefox on my personal devices, but I kind of have to use Chrome at work 
Show threadBen Pate 🤘🏻Jul 23, 2023
I love Safari (as a user at least) and Firefox is clocking in faster that Chrome for the first time in years. Chrome definitely won over developers with their dev tools, but that’s not really an excuse anymore. For Fediverse citizens in particular, it’s time to come home to something more open. @af
Show threadRobots can be gay deal with itJul 23, 2023

@af If the site doesn't work in Firefox, complain to the site admin/management.

If they say "use <chromium browser>", say that you don't have local administrator and that Chrome isn't allowed anyway. You need Firefox to work.

We don't need to compromise with lazy web administrators that only test in Chrome.

Show threadStella C 🇨🇦Jul 23, 2023
@af DuckDuckGo as well
Show threadCharles RoperJul 23, 2023
@af Safari only available on Apple kit, which means the majority can’t use it as an alternative. #Firefox is *essential* to the health of the web. LibreWolf and Waterfox are great alternatives if you don’t like Mozilla’s telemetry. Firefox on Android is by FAR my favourite browser for smartphones because you can install uBlock and enable the “annoyances” lists which clean up so much web junk, it’s hard to use anything else once you’ve used it for a while. ❤️ Firefox.
Show threadCharles RoperJul 23, 2023
@af Hackernews thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36817305
Web Environment Integrity API Proposal | Hacker News

Show threadCamilla the GalahJul 23, 2023
@af I already use Firefox for basically everything on my computer except Twitch—and that’s only because a lot of Twitch’s features stopped working for me on Firefox. I’ll have to try uninstalling and reinstalling, hopefully that’ll fix it.
As for my phone, I’ve never installed Chrome on it, and never will.
Show threadElizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 23, 2023
@af I moved to Firefox just in time! Unfortunately have to use SSI for work sadly
Show threadNiceMicroJul 23, 2023
@af "I know you’ll have to use Chrome sometimes because it’s already happening." -- my employer still uses ActiveX for some inhouse administrative stuff. So it's Edge with IE compatibility for me now 😂
Show threadIanJul 24, 2023
@af is Chromium affected by this plan? Or are they keeping that ad protecting DRM as part of their own special sauce on top of Chromium?
Show threadKlebs (Les Ateliers PHV)Jul 24, 2023
@af There's also #librewolf, #mullvadbrowser and #waterfox if you're looking for other choices.
Show threaderrgJul 24, 2023
@af I use Firefox for almost all of my browsing, but their are some sites that only work in Chrome (or Edge)
Show threadSilicon Underground (Dave F)Jul 24, 2023
@af I switched back to Firefox a few years ago as my daily browser when I didn't like how powerful Google was getting. No regrets. I wish more people would do it.
Show threadNeon 🌐🩵🦾Jul 24, 2023
@af been using Firefox since I could use a computer. My only reason to use Chrome is sometimes Canvas takes a shit and will only work properly on Chrome. Other than that I never use it because Firefox is just nicer on my eyes
Show threadFox LeeJul 24, 2023

@af If this is meant for all Chromium browsers, not just Chrome proper, I'm very anxious to hear from @Vivaldi about it.

I switched over from Firefox when FF started flirting with crypto bullshit, but this would be even more of a dealbreaker. Would hate to have to move away so soon :\

Show threadfurina 💧⚖️Jul 24, 2023
@af Switched to Firefox long ago when I was tired of chrome eating memory - never looked back. I’ve tried other browsers like Opera GX but Firefox is still the best for me
Show threadkay barkbarkJul 24, 2023
@af my work forces me to use chrome because we pay for Micro$ofts fucking terrible business suite and it does't work in anything except Edge and Chrome. My level of rage is incomprehensible.
Show threadRichard TurnerJul 30, 2023

@kay_kidoutai @af Firefox has a web compatibility team that always wants to hear about breakages like this. They can either add info to, or create, bug reports for Firefox or engage with (nag) the website author to switch to cross-browser standards.

Office apps - Word, Excel, etc. - seem to work fine for me using Firefox. I tend not to need the more esoteric MS webapps though.

Show threadkay barkbarkJul 31, 2023
@zygous @af I will definitely file a report to them on monday. What blows my mind is that its just U2F, which is a cross browser standard! It just doesn't work. Seems like pure laziness on M$ part.
Show threadkay barkbarkJul 31, 2023

@zygous @af
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/authentication/fido2-compatibility#supported-browsers

zero support for anything but chrome on Linux. I don't even understand how you do that

Browser support of FIDO2 passwordless authentication - Microsoft Entra

Browsers and operating system combinations support FIDO2 passwordless authentication for apps using Azure Active Directory

Show threadRichard TurnerJul 31, 2023
@kay_kidoutai @af Certainly looks like they’re actively preventing auth working on Linux. Probably Chrome is supported so that ChromeOS works (since that’s Linux). I expect this isn’t technical, but political 😡
Show threadmyska Jul 24, 2023
@af Firefox gangggg
Show threadsynlogicJul 24, 2023
@af and maybe Brave. dunno if Chromium based tho
Show threadnshrubsJul 24, 2023
@af Hmmm... how will that work with K-12 & Chromebooks & COPPA & CIPA?
Show threadcatfluoride Jul 24, 2023
@af in fact, I'm using Brave. I won't go back to Firefox. I've been using it for some 20 years before getting tired of Mozilla ruining it little by little. The UI redesign has been the last straw. Won't go back to it. Tell Mozilla to make a better browser, instead of telling people that they should use something that don't suits them.
Show threadHaykeJul 24, 2023
@af
What about the ungoogled chromium? As far as my knowledge goes, it seems like a good option? https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium
GitHub - ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium: Google Chromium, sans integration with Google

Google Chromium, sans integration with Google. Contribute to ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub
Show threadErevanDBJul 24, 2023
@af Firefox and TOR are some of the only "mainstream" privacy respecting browsers right now.
Show threadUser01Jul 24, 2023
@af
Way more people need to use Firefox IMO. I ❤️ Firefox. So many great security features and you don't need to sell your data to daddy Google to enjoy those features. Just saying.
Show threadVoraji AethrasJul 24, 2023
@af What are your thoughts about Opera?
Show threadDmitry Golubev Jul 24, 2023
@af why would you deprive website owners of income, blocking their ads?
Show threadnaugturJul 24, 2023
@af Firefox is the only browser with its own engine made for the users not corporate interests. It needs more adoption.
Use Firefox a d tell others to use it too
Show threadCasey Reeves (it/its)Jul 24, 2023
@af I use chromium because it's accessibility is so far better than firefox. Now, if firefox wants to do better, it would be the right time to do so, definitely.
Show threadbirdbrained Jul 24, 2023
@af also, Epiphany/Gnome Web if you're on Linux!! That's WebKit based, like Safari ;>
Show threadcanusfeminacanisJul 24, 2023

@af

You're forgetting Tor.