The #Bluesky community is on strike, in protest of “free speech” moderation policies and refusal to prevent or remove #racism.

The inciting incident this time: users signing up with the n-word in their usernames. Using the word “cracker”, however, was a bannable offense.

Bluesky has not responded for over 36 hours as of writing. Devs are blocking protestors. Timelines are filled with variations of:

“No more normal posting until my Black friends and family are safe.”

#social #tech

It is beautiful to watch folks organize spontaneously around this. There are some really novel techniques being used that I have not seen before.

Shitposters and sex workers blurring their posts and withholding lewds, if only there was a safe platform to post them. Quote chains of people asking the devs to block them too in solidarity. Users building custom, public mute lists to block out fascists and protect marginalized communities.

The devs are liking nazi callout posts & posting on Twitter

But I would also like to take a second, before you enjoy too much schadenfreude, to point out that by and large PoC communities also are not safe on Mastodon.

A huge amount of the feedback being levied on Bluesky’s lasseiz faire moderation policies also apply to us here.

I have very little faith Bluesky will improve, but we still could.

@Haste I think BlueSky is finished with Threads being recently launched. And if they are going to embrace bigots, then there will be less of a reason for a leftist to use it.
@pollute_my_lungs I miss forums.

@Haste @pollute_my_lungs hopefully I can help! I'm slowly bringing @nodebb to the Fediverse 🙂 forums never left, they just took a sideline for a bit.

It's high time for a resurgence.

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@Haste I will miss the parts of Black Twitter I saw (whether I understood or not). I want an intersectional discussion in a safe space. I will also admit I see a great need for private moderated spaces I should be excluded from.
@Haste isn't the issue that all the servers have seperate rules and shit, you'd need to get a common guideline set up.
@KitCatalina @Haste

There sort of is. Several of the biggest ActivityPub using servers have been defederated either voluntarily (like Gab and Truth Social) or involuntarily (like Pawoo). Maybe there needs to be a subset of the Fediverse that uses whitelists instead of blacklists with much stricter criteria, such as only federating with other servers sharing that whitelist at a minimum?
@o76923 @Haste @KitCatalina yeah, i like the idea of many more small opinionated spaces, one problem is the exclusivity tho and people with no network can't ever break in

@Haste there is one critical difference between the two platforms.

Here ignorant racist assholes are simply ignorant racist assholes.

There ignorant racist assholes drive “value-added platform engagement”.

When they make money from your pain it’s not a bug…it’s a feature. Just like Facebook.

@ministerofimpediments @Haste This is not true at all

@dame @Haste Yeah, its a safe bet to be true.
If I was one of those people I could probably the same ass both here and on Threads. So a wash.
Assuming you can block/report as effectively there as here. (A guess).

However, what is not likely here is my bullshit randomly showing up in your feed in front of the people you follow because a whole bunch of other idiots and an algorithm like it. Inevitably that same bullshit will be parked right next to an Adidas ad soon enough.

@Haste about what you said about POCs not feeling safe here. I have to say you are right. I get anti-China sentiments sent my way at times. And people not understanding that my values are not typically Western, even if I may sound and behave Western.
@liztai - so sorry you are experiencing this. If there is anything others of us can do to help with this situation, I'm happy to be of aid. I guess because I use this site more for gathering/sharing info vs. more indepth conversations, I have not seen racism arise in conversation threads - only seen people I follow share their experiences. I would like this platform to be free of hate and better moderated. Thank you for sharing your experience.

@bok_bok_ba_gok @liztai

Toke me a while to realize the claim by PoC that any kind of harassment is not seen out here like on tw because you don't see the whole conversation string.
The layout is different and our call to setup own instances is not well understood/taken as people are not used to decentralization and the feature it implies. fediverse and mastodon are understood as one monolitic thing but they aren't. It takes time to build this up and "divide" the scenes.

@jesuisatire @liztai Thanks for this- another layer to understanding this platform!
@liztai @Haste So sorry
@meske6 @Haste I don't blame them really. It is a cultural and Western bias, ignorance. And maybe I should've kept quiet, but I couldn't help but correct incorrect assumptions about China, and try to educate them about China's cultural differences. But anti-China sentiments are being spread by Western media so... they can't see it, I guess.

@liztai I’m really sorry to hear that (but also completely unsurprised). You shouldn’t have to deal with it.

I don’t run any communities or have much influence, but if there’s anything I can ever do to help toss a fascist directly into the sun and make the mastodon more safe and pleasant for you and your network, let me know.

@liztai @Haste I really would love to understand, why PoC and other groups preferred BlueSky over Fediverse and why Twitter in the past was better for these groups. In my view, what of course has a completly different reality, the Fediverse is the better place to build safe spaces. Of course not the whole Fediverse itself would be a safe space, but parts of it can be. Was Twitter in the past a safe space? Was BlueSky in the beginning one? If there is or was a discussion - I would love to read.
@masteremit @Haste Basically, it had more diversity and less groupthink. Mastodon is lovely, and being more North American and European has its downsides for folks like me. For eg, Americans and Europeans have a particular way of thinking of China. As a South-East Asian smushed between both China and the West, we understand China And the West. For one, I am alarmed at the ignorance being displayed and try to educate ppl.
This often results in them accusing me of being pro-China when I am not.
@masteremit @Haste imagine having to always defend your Pov, and having your opinions dismissed just because your ideas or opinions do not conform to a Global North pov.
It gets extremely tiresome.
And we end up retreating to our spaces to talk to people who don't challenge everything we say.
I don't know if other #TootSea folks feel the same way, but I do because I actually bother to engage.
I really shouldn't tho. 😂 It is a pointless exercise.
#SouthEastAsia
@liztai @Haste I can not feel but absolutely understand your trouble. Maybe Twitter was better because it had more time with growing and getting the diversity it has had for a time. Hopefully this will be the same one day with the Fediverse if we all work on that. But I also understand, that this is exhausting. I just do not believe, that BlueSky is really an alternative, or nowadays Threads. But I may be wrong. Would be so much easier if people would be different and just accept difference.
@masteremit @Haste I believe the same. But I know Malaysians. Facebook and Instagram - they already have it, so if Twitter falls, they would go to Threads first. Tho I don't think BlueSky is a really popular choice.
@Haste Thank you so much for saying this. I’ve seen people call out BlueSky & others as if this places hands are clean. Particularly Mastodon has a very bad reputation when it comes to gatekeepers, reply guys, racism, nazis, cp & lolicon. There’s a great deal to fix
@Haste
Bluesky is one server. It is not decentralized and those people have no place else to go...the entire point of the Fediverse. Jack wanted to write his own protocol. Jack did this and those people are in a walled off garden pleading with devs who have been compensated well enough to not have a budget for a T&S Department. Jack is a free speech absolutist like elon. BTW, guess where Jack is everyday. He's not putting one more dime into this.
@Haste So how do we do this? What kind of organization do we need to build?

@JohnMFlores I admit I do not know. I think the right path would be to listen to those communities about what they need, and allocate development resources directly to that.

Because I don’t think I’m qualified to declare a solution, as a white person. I don’t want to take up all the air in the room.

Instead, I’d be happy to work on and implement the tools those communities identified.

@Haste The lesson here is very simple (and often repeated): never expect ANY commercial social media to be fair, equatable, just, honest or decent.

Its about making money. And thats all.

@autoerot1ca @Haste simply being a money sink-hole doesn't mean it is going to be either though.
@Haste Bluesky is a trap, Musk and Dorsey are playing in the same team. I would prefer to make Mastodon a safer place, because the potential of the free federated web is great.
@Haste a lot of that has to do with your personal choice to be on the largest #Mastodon instance, which by its sheer size and influence will never be able to be a safe space with in the #fediverse, rather than a proper #fedi instance. Looking soley at yoru keywords

@fu Thanks for the feedback, friend. :)

I do not doubt that the main mastodon.social instance is especially troubled in this way. My personal observation has been that even choosing a smaller instance doesn't necessarily help, since all it will take is one .social user boosting a post to attract the same audience.

This is a problem inherent to the culture more than the technology, in my opinion.

Side note, I didn't understand your observation about my keywords.

@Haste How do we get something like this going on mastodon, for when we want to let instances know that we want Black people not just invited to the party, but able to relax & have a good time here?
@Haste Bluesky will ultimately be garbage, just as every other monetized form of social media is garbage. Bluesky leadership doesn't care. They're running a tech proof of concept, and they are not going to change.

@Haste I quit a 7dtd server because they let a guy with "sambo" in his name and en evern worse picture in his steam profile play while also disciplining me for saying "cracker."

They listed "no racism" in their server rules but they were clearly applying it selectively. People tell on themselves all the time.

@LinuxAndYarn Oh, that’s the zombie game right? I tried to get into that but the community put me off immediately 😭

@Haste @LinuxAndYarn its 2023 and we have a brand new social media network that doesnt have a "no racism / no nazis" policy.

we may as well be banging rocks together.

also orgs that intentionally choose to not to have those policies are really saying "we're okay if we become the nazi bar. their money is just as green as anybody elses"

@Viss @LinuxAndYarn yeah I choose to read “we prioritize free speech on this platform” as “well let’s not be hasty, the nazis might have a point”. :/

I plan on shutting my account down but I’d like to keep involved with the protest for a bit, it’s improving my hope for humanity

@Haste @LinuxAndYarn its interesting - i just went to have a look and i dont see any of that sorta boycotting happening. the lewds feed appears to be the sorta typical stream of "here are my parts, internet, now give me validation" as they normally are. im not suggesting it isnt happening, just that i havent seen it yet

@Viss @LinuxAndYarn interesting. It is literally 100% of my feed.

I did see an interactive graphic of Blueskys social graph recently (turns out its public). Maybe we’re in different circles?

Iirc I was somewhere between hellthread shitposters, and trans bsky

@Haste @Viss @LinuxAndYarn I’m not sure how it makes its decisions on where you fall in the social graph but at the moment I’m somewhere that same region as you, and it’s definitely angry sky at the moment

@Viss @LinuxAndYarn

Here’s the context thread I was pointed to if you’re interested

https://bsky.app/profile/aliafonzy.bsky.social/post/3k2bzl67zqh23

Bluesky

@Haste @LinuxAndYarn interesting! yeah, i guess we're in different circles, i havent seen any of this. thanks for the enlightenment!
@LinuxAndYarn @Haste I have never heard the word "sambo". What does it mean?
@Haste @amethyst you know I told people a month ago that Bluesky's tactic of growth first moderation later wouldn't pan out. Who could have seen this coming
@vikxin @Haste Jack doesn't give a fuck about his Nazi bar problem at all lol, it's so bad, I'm happy to watch with popcorn from afar
@Haste Sorta related but weird – there was/is a very popular '90s band named Cracker (which as far as I know wasn't meant to offend one way or the other, at the time). I had a playlist of Cracker songs on YouTube, which I called "Cracker." I got dinged and deleted for hate speech. Cracker's videos are (as they should be) all still up on YouTube.
@cjonthehudson There is so much hate speech on YouTube and that’s what they remove? -.-
@Haste Isn't it nuts? I appealed to their bot and was denied almost instantly. I didn't care except that hate speech is far from my thing.
@Haste wow, the supposedly decentralized bluesky is going great 👍