James Harris
Charlie StrossBLOOD BEER BREWED WITH MASHED FERMENTED GIBLETS!! HE-MEN DRINK ONLY HAEMOGLOBIN!!
Philippa Cowderoy@cstross Bet he thinks black pudding's disgusting, too
Hugo Mills@cstross Made by haemogoblins to an ancient recipe.
Steve Gisselbrecht@cstross
In PERHAPS EXCESSIVE fairness, it is my understanding that some beer is not vegan because isinglass is used to clarify it.
In PERHAPS EXCESSIVE fairness, it is my understanding that some beer is not vegan because isinglass is used to clarify it.
@stevegis_ssg It used to be true of most beer, but they developed artificial (non fish-bladder) finings a couple of decades ago.
Feòrag@cstross @stevegis_ssg Also, one of the few good things about the craft beer thing is that it’s made haze fashionable, and brewers of Proper Beer have taken to not bothering to fine their brews.
Alan Bellingham@feorag @cstross @stevegis_ssg As long as they're not pastry beers or the like. I like hazy. I loathe stuff with large amounts of lactose
simonbp@stevegis_ssg @cstross Rarely these days. Modern refrigeration to drive the yeast out of suspension plus filtration is how most commercial breweries do it.
Cadbury Moose@simonbp @stevegis_ssg @cstross
Or the Walterschied Separator, a centrifugal yeast remover that apparently Ansells at Aston used to have... worked well for lager, not so well for other yeasts. (When the 'donut' disk reached capacity it separated at the rim, hurling the contents out into the collecting drum/drain. 'Heavily yeasty' brews apparently made it ring like a bell!) This anecdote from 40+ years ago - it's a car dealership now.
Or the Walterschied Separator, a centrifugal yeast remover that apparently Ansells at Aston used to have... worked well for lager, not so well for other yeasts. (When the 'donut' disk reached capacity it separated at the rim, hurling the contents out into the collecting drum/drain. 'Heavily yeasty' brews apparently made it ring like a bell!) This anecdote from 40+ years ago - it's a car dealership now.
leah's tiny pc retirement home@stevegis_ssg @cstross Joseph Holt, the brewery, agree in some depth here: https://www.joseph-holt.com/news/guide-vegan-beer - but also clarify (sorry) which of their beers are vegan and which aren't; in short, people who want plant-based beers have plenty of choice, and always have had
NEVER BE SORRY! THAT WAS GREAT!
mokrates@stevegis_ssg @cstross Yeah, the fairness is a little bit excessive ;)
Have you heard about those expensive coffee beans, that are prepared by being digsted by cats?
The coffee you make from them is not "cat based".
johnaldis@mokrates @stevegis_ssg @cstross “Plant-based” is a stupid term for a sensible distinction—“oil-based paint” doesn’t have to be only made from oil, but the (most-accepted) meaning of “plant-based” can’t have any deliberate animal at all. “Vegan” requires more thorough checking than just “didn’t put it in on purpose.” Some sort of marking for this category seems sensible but the specific term is badly chosen IMO. “Animal-free” would make more sense.
@mokrates @stevegis_ssg @cstross I guess what I’m trying to say is of course beer is “plant-based” the same way a paint is “water-based” or “oil-based” (although perhaps the beer is more accurately “water-based” or “alcohol-based”) but not all beer is animal-free (I understand that plant/synthetic finings are available but IIRC Guinness, for example, was still using fish finings until a couple of years ago).
Mark McClelland@stevegis_ssg @cstross Excessive fairness done well, and in the right company, can be such a lovely thing, can't it? Let's hear it for Mastadonians.
Yarrow (they/he) MOVEDdon't tell him that the Old Gods drink it already
Woolfhound@cstross I never thought the future would be this stupid.
john r red-horseI confess that I did. In fact, I think that it's going to continue to get stupider, day-by-day. It's like stupid entropy.
How else did we bring ourselves to experiencing QAnon? Tech bro cage fights? Vaccine fights?
There is no bottom. It's a waste of time thinking it'll happen. :(
@jrredho @woolfhound Get ahead of the trend, start formulating conspiracy theories with a make-money-fast pay-off targeting amoebae.
Mark Mason@jrredho @woolfhound @cstross There are a number of large industries whose profitabilities rely almost entirely on the stupidity of their customer base. You know the ones. Their collective interest, based on the modern parlance, we call ‘Big Stupid’ and Their influence is growing.
#BigStupid
#BigStupid
@cstross purely plant based beer is just barley juice. Need those decidedly not-plant fungus buddies to do the rest.
Geoff 🏴@_thegeoff @cstross Commercial breweries generally don't use finings, for the simple expedient that paper filters are cheaper.
toxtethogrady@_thegeoff @simonbp @cstross I tried fucking snowflakes once. I got frostbite like you wouldn't believe...😎
Kristoffer 🍄@cstross As we all know, the ancient rites of Reinheitsgebot clearly requires all beer to be brewn only from the blood of the innocent, to be consumed under the pale moon of the supreme goat being. This climate plan's refusal to pay tribute to the mother of a thousand young is simply outrageous.
Jon Sparks@cstross I suppose technically yeast isn’t a plant…
Alexandra Lanes@cstross @JonSparks MY FELLOW OPISTHOKONTS
Pollik@cstross lololol
Brian Smith
Cheryl Morgan@cstross real men only drink beer made from Heavy Metals… lead, mercury, arsenic, uranium…
Mike P@cstross If they tried to make it out of plants, there's a risk that some yeast might contaminate the brew, leading to fermentation.
This could result in the beer becoming alcoholic, which is decidedly un-American.
mcc
BöotesVoid
Oggie@cstross Something I learned from twitter recently (and if that doesn't make you uncomfortable, well...poor pattern recodnition).
You can make any recipe that calls for 'milk' with 'blood'.
So you can, in fact, have 'Haemoglobin muffins'! And any milk-based drink!
Charles ☭ is now tooting from queer.party
Elena ``of Valhalla''
Thomas Brand@cstross Nobody told me Arby's makes beer now?
Female-presenting nipples@cstross What does he think it's made from, I need to know
There are a few types of British beer that have milk in them. Guineas had fish in it until recently. Mediaeval beers sometimes had entire dead chickens stuffed the barrels.
@FuchsiaShock @cstross I certainly hope not!
Erik Ellestad@cstross Well, they do want to return us to the Middle Ages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_ale
@ellestad I'm sorry but speaking as a meat eater that sounds disgusting
@cstross You just wonder who said, "You know mate, this ale of yours is good, but it would be better with some chicken."
Marc Jacobs
Ted Mielczarek@tedmielczarek Haven't even brought up preserved punches where milk is used as a fining and filtering agent... https://savoystomp.flannestad.com/2009/06/24/milk-punch-no-1/index.html @cstross
@tedmielczarek True, Milk Fined punches are delicious! A lot of work, but delicious.
Of course there are also those interesting Asian liquors with snakes and such, not to mention ye olde agave worm or scorpion in Mexican spirits.
Or, haha, Mezcal de Pechuga.
https://www.eater.com/drinks/2016/2/9/10939962/what-is-mezcal-de-pechuga @cstross
microtherion@cstross horse piss, in the fine western tradition.
Thomas Lumley@cstross HAE-MEN, please. No pronouns!
RevJeber@cstross
Priorities, he has some. They’re just stupid.
Priorities, he has some. They’re just stupid.
Skovheks--Can we send this to the execs of Bud with a note of "These are the dumbasses you bolster when you waffle on your support of minorities."