The opposite of “return to office” advocates isn’t “work from home” advocates. It’s a rich tapestry of “open offices are distracting” people and “I’ve never gone this long without being sick” people and “commutes are a waste of time I don’t get paid for” people and “I’m an introvert and playing house with coworkers sucks the life out of me” people and “I have a family and appreciate the flexibility” people and “I primarily communicated with coworkers through Slack anyway” people and “no one wa…
@mac Exactly! In the same way that "return to office" isn't just control freak bosses/managers. It's also people "that need it for structure", people "that need people around them", people "that need a clear separation between home and work life".
@wyri @mac Honestly, the employees demanding that everyone else come in so they can hang should get a hobby, a hubby, or a social life.
I don't mind anyone (nor myself) going back into the office if it serves a purpose, what I detest is being required to because someone else has a need to see me be there while they not interact with me.
@Mabande @wyri @mac its mostly about the board being able to witness their slave labour. its a fetish.
@bobmagicii @Mabande @mac that's a long flight from SFO to AMS for the board to make every day 😜
@bobmagicii @wyri @mac Sunk cost of long contracts for office space combined with managers needing to prove to their bosses that their work is necessary, along with en unhealthy dose of distrust, believing employees will slack off/go to the gym if not watched (a behavior mostly seen in the managerial class).
@Mabande @wyri @mac lol word, the managers straight up do that stuff and boast about it after they get back.
@Mabande @bobmagicii @wyri @mac I think that might be why the adoption of remote work is so spotty in France: it's been pointed out time and time again by economists and sociologists that distrust is a plague of French economy on several levels and in all directions.
@Mabande @mac they need a job where that is the situation. While I would love to have more people in the office. My believe that you should work where you work best, office, WFH, train, beach, park bench, is a lot stronger. Zoom and such tire me out a lot more than in person pairings. But when that isn't possible we'll figure something out and I block my calendar to decompress afterwards. Not that it matters as my current team is NA east coast while I'm in Amsterdam

@wyri @Mabande @mac
I've spent a few work days, here and there, telecommuting from a picnic table in a National Forest wilderness area. (No electricity for miles, but plenty of LTE signal.)

This one is an hour (one-way) commute, but when I've put in the time, this particular office has been worth going to for the day.

@ToddVierling @wyri @Mabande @mac WFH has definitely improved the small talk while waiting for people to join meetings.
@wyri @mac that’s fair. Hadn’t thought of that but it’s fair.
@wyri @mac genuine question, would a co-working space meet your needs? Or did all of those places go out of business during the pandemic?

@cohomologyisFUN @mac It would match my fundamental needs, not sure if it would meet my social needs. Never been in that position before. But in essence a co-working space is also an office, just not owned by the employer.

Not sure, looking at WeWork's stock price it's not looking good for them.

@wyri @mac add in “people who just social engineered the facade of looking like they were working to hide the fact their performance is awful and struggle hiding that without a performative workplace”
@jbwharris @wyri @mac sure, plus those three guys

@palecur @wyri @mac Have probably had at least one of those in every job I've ever had. I remember having a President of a company I worked for mention that if he saw someone walking fast in the office he knew they were working hard 😂

It's tough to do the "looking stressed while looking at your computer monitor like you're solving a complex problem" without a workplace audience

@wyri This, precisely. Working is not one-size-fits-all - there should be WFH available to those who need it, and there should be office space available to those who need *that* to function as an employee!

@wyri @mac I disagree, any attempt at mandating it is control freak behavior.

Or did you solely mean those asking for the voluntary option? Then yes, those are fine.

@lispi314 @mac Any mandate to control where you work is wrong. Give employees the option to work from the office, go hybrid and alternate depending on their needs that day/week/month, or work remotely.
@wyri @lispi314 @mac I love working from home, and this is exactly the solution. Some people don’t have a great WFH space, or they need that separation between work and home, or whatever, and they should have the option for a separate workspace. Let the people who work best from home do that, let the people who work best from the office go that route.

@wyri @mac just dont force it on us who do NOT need people around them. THIS was the main reason I went freelance in 2009: Being forced to have people around me constantly, which ate away my focus and mental health.

#actuallyautistic

@mac as a driving enthusiast I wholly agree that commuting is nothing but a waste of my own time and money
@mac @mekkaokereke to be clear there are many, many “several of the above” people. We don’t mind working with people in offices. What’s their problem?

@mac I really feel the open offices and getting sick parts. I have an awful immune system and only go outside the house once a week in fear of getting sick, so both the concepts of an open floor plan and sitting in a (usually very uncomfortable) office during flu season never appealed to me.

I get so much done when I work from home. I have my lab environment. I can eat healthily on a budget, I can be around my family and my animals. I focus more, do more, and stress less.

@mac I am the "all of the above" people. I find myself much more willing to make ad hoc plans with people now that my baseline is "work from home, with cats".

@mac @SQLAllFather As someone that worked successfully and productively from home for 3 years and now spends 18 hours commuting for only 5 office visits every 2 weeks, it really sucks the life out of you.

I did like being in the office previously and working with my team. But context on “where” you work in an office is key. Before COVID we all had offices and a door to close. Now I have to work in a new office farther away in a cube farm with low walls, and the noise is sometimes overwhelming.

@mac Do we get a prize if we check all of the checkboxes?
@mac Recent NYT piece discusses how WFH job listings are getting huge responses while non-WFT jobs few are applying to. People are speaking with their feet.

@mac Also, "my disability means sometimes I can work, but physically getting to work might be unpleasant or difficult" people.

If I feel like I might have a seizure, I shouldn't go into the office that day. But sometimes it's a false alarm, and being able to work from home is a great compromise in those situations.

There are a lot of people who are disabled by any casual use of the word, but not in a way that is visibly obvious enough for people to really stop and think about what they need.

@mac I would like to find whoever said "open offices are the future, we should use the model everywhere" and give them a good swift kick in the ass.

For all the space to think an open office offers, I might as well be in a bar, and at least there I could get a drink to go with my continually shattered concentration.

@mac i am gonna keep saying forever that we literally found a cure for traffic. every single person in the world hates traffic and we found out we can just not have traffic at any time

@mac Ive been full time WFH since 2013

I almost never need a sick day (when I do it's usually a migraine - not something communicable)

I also don't mind nearly so much the occasional "long running thing" that means I keep working late- I'm already home - no need to worry about traffic etc...

@mac "I never liked those fuckers."
@mac I wish there was a "10x repost" option for this. So many great points.

@mac I know people who really thrive on being in the office. I... Am not one of them. To them I say "You do you boo"

My favourite excuse for forcing people in is "high quality conversations with people you just run into". So stochastic knowledge management then? This is a very bad thing. If person X needs to know, make it a meeting. Which can be remote.

I now go in to run workshops when needed. Nothing I've tried yet beats a real post-it note. Believe me I've tried!

@timdnewman @mac “STOCHASTIC KNOWLEDGE MANAGEMENT” 🏆🏆🏆
@mac @aijaz and “I live in another state and can’t move” people
@mac

Very true. I've been freelancing for over 10 years and most of that has been from home. Before 2020 I was happy to mix in some onsite work for local customers. It really didn't do a lot for the work and the commute would take some time but it added some variety and socialisation to my life, and networking possibilities. And it made some customers happy. So why not?

Right now, working onsite would come with a high risk of Covid infection, and that's not a reasonable ask for me.
I don't want to be the only person in the office masking, making a big deal of ventilation/filtration, and so on, and still having substantial unmitigated risk.
So I stick to WFH only even if that means missing on interesting local work.
@mac Just waiting for the “not every job can be done from home” replies. Like we should presumably all wear hazmat suits to work because some jobs require them.

@mac i've had two really great experiences working in person against a sea of atomized individual task assignments. there's no reason for 7 plus or minus 2 people to sit together just to put on their headphones and individually despair about different individual goals.

imo most places can't stomach the feeling of being less than fully in control that leads to actual in person collaboration (slack time, less than 100% planned utilization, self direction etc).

@mac I contain multitudes, evidently ;)

@mac Covered that here.

Most companies are on a path trying to get key employees back to the office. Return to work is the beating drum.

The problem is that many of those key employees – highly skilled, in huge demand – have tasted freedom, and don’t want to go back. And in the context of trend #8 – Knowledge Velocity – they are in the ‘driver’s seat.’

https://jimcarroll.com/2022/12/23-trends-for-2023-9-entrenched-workback-pushback/

23 Trends for 2023: #9 Entrenched Workback Pushback - Futurist Keynote Speaker Jim Carroll: Disruptive Trend & Innovation Expert

Most companies are on a path trying to get key employees back to the office. Return to work is the beating drum. The problem is that many of those key employees – highly skilled, in huge demand – have tasted freedom, and don’t want to go back. And in the context of trend #8 – […]

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My job is public facing, (librarian) so I need* to be here. but if I ever got a job that wasn't? Fuck going to an office. I'm immunocompromised and dislike driving.

*While we absolutely could have just a screen people could talk to, admin's desire to cut jobs sounds FAR too strong for me to consider it.

@mac very excellent points. The other thing I was thinking about recently was let’s not pretend we’re in the same economy we were prepandemic. Working class families that want to stay afloat, let alone get ahead need to be doing as many hours of work as they can get. That means both parents working. Everyone else has the same idea so spots in care for kiddies of all ages are very rare right now. WFH some of the time is the only way to make it work.
@mac To be fair, I am all of those people.

@mac

I'll add another. I just had emergency surgery and because I work from home, I"ll be back working a full 3 days earlier. This is entirely my choice, but if I had to drive or even bus/train to an office I'd be taking at least a couple more days off.

@mac don't forget the people with food allergies who couldn't eat the catered lunches, bagel days, or at pizza parties anyways.

...or the IBS people who had to suffer the atrocious panopticon of American office toilets.

@mac I'm a combo of the commute, introvert, and family people.

@mac I hated, hated the open office. If you want to make me sit in a chair and drive a keyboard for 8 hours a day, give me a damn door.

But that's all behind me now. I traded the keyboard for a semi truck and I'm much happier.

@mac My job is something that physically can't be done remotely, and I wish all the people who wanted to WFH could, so y'all could get out of my way on my commute!! 🤣

Also my partner works from home and it's been a huge benefit to us both, they can be there when the repair person comes, they can watch/walk the dogs while I'm at work, they can answer important phone calls when I can't.

Not to mention WFH is so much better for many people with disabilities, including people like me who are high risk for Covid (it's not over, folx). Going back to the office should be voluntary for roles that don't absolutely require in-person to function. Let the extroverts who want to sit next to their friends go to the office if they want. Let other people determine what works best for them too, whether that's at home, at the office, hybrid, or whatever.

@mac I’m an “I prefer to work in the office but only when everyone else does too and hoteling is gross but I guess WFH isn’t THAT bad because I save $200/month on parking but I really wish I didn’t have to pay out of pocket for every single thing I need to actually WFH and none of my co-workers have kids so they don’t understand how that dynamic interacts with WFH” advocate, I think.
@mac @mtsw I am all of those people.
@mac @kf Folks think remote and in-office are opposites. In reality remote means ‘work where you want’ which can include in-office every now and then if you want.
@mac I’ll never take a job with a commute again, what a waste of life and resources
@mac @tre_bol some time before the pandemic, Google approached me for a role in their Hamburg office.
I responded asking if they were willing to pay me for the roughly three hours per day I would be losing due to the commute to their unnecessary downtown office location.
I'm still waiting for an answer.
@pjakobs @mac Google Street View wasn't able to locate you out there in nowhere between the lakes ;-)