Saying not to bother with the favourite button on mastodon because it doesn't affect any algorithm is like saying not to say thank you to someone because no one else will hear.

Stop thinking in those old social media ways of engagement and visibility and algorithms and reach and audience and start thinking about being social.

And BOOST! It's how you saw this, probably!

A favourite is a nice thanks, a boost lets everyone else discover the great thing you discovered too!

@nikki I hit favorite on Twitter before it mattered, by god I'm going to do it here too
@JoshJers @nikki I only use the timeline view on Twitter. It didn't even cross my mind that others saw my favorites. That's for me and the author. It's public so I don't care if others know, but screw the computers and algorithms!

@JoshJers @nikki

Good thinking! (I say as I favorite this).

@nikki i had no idea that’s why people would like things! i genuinely thought everyone is just kind of thanking the author 🤯
@nikki I always resented how the like button propagated content to and from my timeline. That's what a RT is for!
@nikki I love the fact that liking something here does not automatically shove it into the face of my followers. Clear distinction between boost and favorite and lack of algorithms are all good things.

@bart yes, sometimes I've been wary about liking stuff on (other places) because i knew it would have a chance of popping up on my audience's timelines who wouldn't be remotely interested in it.

Really bad way of thinking. That's a PR influencing network, not a social network!

@nikki @bart Agreed - in fact, I wish Mastodon didn't show any favourites to anyone else at all. Like, I shouldn't be able to see that anyone has favourited my toot, much less someone else's. If I favourite something, that's for me and nobody else.
@Swooper @nikki @bart I think that's what bookmarking does maybe?
@drymifolia @nikki @bart I don't see a bookmarking option in the app.
@Swooper @nikki @bart ah yes I think that's only in the web version, though maybe in some other apps
@Swooper @nikki @bart I just installed Tusky from f-droid and it has bookmark as an option in the app:
@drymifolia @nikki @bart Cool, maybe I should switch to that, then. I like that both buttons are there, although in that case Favourite is misnamed.

@Swooper @nikki @bart Interestingly, if like counts turn you off, you can turn *them* off. At least, in the Tusky app you can.

Check out the 'Preferences' section under 'Wellbeing':

@Swooper @nikki @bart that's what the "bookmark" button is for.
@Swooper @nikki @bart I think the bookmarks button is more suited to that purpose. A like is a way you can let the author know you appreciate their content.
@techlife @nikki @bart Multiple people have said that over a month ago. I wasn't aware of that feature since it isn't included in the official Mastodon app, but have since switched to Tusky.
@Swooper @nikki @bart yeah it would be good to get it add d to tbe official app. Also the ability to switch between federated and home timelines. However a big recent fix is the ability to edit posts in the official app. That's staved me off switching just yet.
@nikki It's weird - I love the fact it does nothing algorithmic, that there is absolutely no agenda to it other than letting someone know they posted something you appreciated.
@Timberwolf that has a lot of worth in my eyes!
@Timberwolf @nikki Exactly! No agenda to it - it's just Manners.

@nikki

I've always said that those people who post all about the 'good things/deeds' that they do, are not doing it because it's the right thing to do, but because they can use it to promote themselves and attempt to change others perceptions of them.

If I see posts like that... There's no way I'm going to boost or fave it.

I'm not helping some ones shallow self promotion. 🙂

@nikki or to put it another way, "use it like 2009 twitter"
@philpem before the dark times... Before the twempire.
@nikki long before the hyena king took over the pridelands...
@nikki I agree and find it ironic that nobody favourited this post yet, so I'll be first 😉 My online writing started with Livejournal so I find novelty of "there is no algorithm!" quite funny. We used to find interesting people to follow in the comments, among followers of other people, later using tags and there was that feed that is called Explore here. Things just appearing in the feed out of nowhere _are_ the novelty.
@Triffen @nikki I don't tend to hit the star when I boost, because that will create 2 notifications. For me, both mean either "I like this", "Thank you" or "I acknowledge this". Boost means either I think my followers will want to see it, or the person who posted it needs help.
@nikki Personally, the person that put time into a post sees it and motivates us to post more. (Or if there is no engagement we think we found the wrong instance for our ideas).
@nikki So the favourite button on mastodon works they way that I, in my utter naivety, thought the like button on twitter did. I never even realised that likes were the input for some algorithm, rather than for saying something to the original poster. 😳
@RobJLow oh everything on twitter was measured, used to fine tune what you saw to keep you scrolling and clicking and interacting...
@nikki nicely put, thanks. And hello!
@nikki was that a thing? I’m not doubting it, but I like things because I like them, and I want OP to know that. The fact that it manipulates algorithms is at times frustrating. I sometimes second guess dropping that favorite because I don’t want to get stuck in the wrong algorithm corner.
@nikki nail on the head. Couldn’t agree more
@nikki so much this!!! Chasing follower counts, likes, boosts, etc. that will have zero effect on anything, shows how entrenched that mindset really is. I love mastodon because none of that matters here!
@nikki This is important to me too. Like @bart suggests, it's nice to know things I ⭐ are not going to pollute someone else's timeline. I feel so much more in control of curating my own content whilst engaging with others and not having it curated for me by algorithms. And, as a result, you get a more positive, nicer and friendlier experience.

@nikki

Nikki,

I see what you mean.

My statements to "not favorite" were misguided. I've been editing those ISWYS toots to reflect that. I need to go farther back.

Thanks for speaking out and encouraging a social conscience.

Kitsy

@nikki oh! I wondered why all the posts had more reblogs than favorites. Now I see. I still favorite for the same reason. It just feels like a nice little thumbs up
@nikki dats one thing dat threw me off at first too being new on mastodon. i like often on twitter without thinking of its “impact” to the algorithm but rather just bcos i like the tweet. ppl here saying dat liking is “wrong” got me a lil confused for a bit.
@nikki We're here to be social, not to game the algorithm :)

@nikki I can't think of a better way to waste oxygen and time on social media than to try and police other people not using social media functions.

😐

However I wonder if the fascist crowd is trying to get it out there to itself that hitting "LIKE" isn't going to get you a million views so they'll try to actually engage and boost more instead to get their nuttery out there 🤔

@nikki fun fact: favorite was on Twitter before algorithmic timelines, and it was used. Same /w the like on FB/YT. It feels good to get its original intended purpose back
@nikki it signals to the poster to post more similar content and influences the graynatter algorithm 🙂
@thebeehammer @nikki this, I like to see people engage with my posts and keep it in mind when composing future ones

@nikki I didn't know favourites didn't affect the algorithm here. I like that!

I never did participate in liking/favouriting things to add to an algorithm. I usually just favourite/like things as a, "Thanks for posting that! I liked it!" or "I agree," or "I might want to remember this later."

I've always seen it as being between me and the OP.

@nikki What would be great is if more people sent a reply instead of just favoriting a post. It might create more messages, but it would also encourage conversation.
@nikki Thank you! I get the algorithm point, but I'm confused by the fact that it almost seems like it's actively discouraged. If I like your toot, I want to say 'I like your toot' as well as saying to everyone else 'Hey, look at this great toot'.

@TaniaDoney @nikki If you want everyone else to see it, you can boost it (the analog for the retweet).

Heck, you can like *and* boost the same post. ☺️

@zalasur @nikki Yeah, I get you can do both, but some of the toots about how favouriting doesn't affect who sees it make it sound a lot like 'Oh, don't do that!' I do what I want, anyway, but it feels a bit like I'm being naughty for being polite!
@nikki thanks, i didn't understand. very new here.
@nikki OMG yes this! I use the favourtie button a lot on Mastodon to let the poster know that I enjoyed their post. It's a courtesy but I guess traditional social media has sucked all the courtesy out of folks.
@nikki excellent point. I suppose for some, old habits are hard to shake off.
@nikki Favoriting a toot (😂I said toot!😂) is a great way to acknowledge what one has said, and a simple form of perhaps showing agreement with the statement.
@nikki Star > Heart. I favorite posts just because they're good!

@nikki Isn't that the point though? If you add it to favourites that's just your super secret stash of dank memes you can look back on. Boosting causes the message to get spread through other instances, generating more social interactions.

I would have never seen this post if it wasn't boosted.

@nikki right on! 👍 I've been thinking more and more about how much algorithms rob humans of our very adaptive and useful skill of listening to each other. We have good cultural practices, all over our species of telling the truth, of valuing other peoples experiences and knowledge.

Tom Hartman talked about this on his program yesterday too, so it's fresh on my mind. There is legislation in the works to make regulation that algorithms be transparent! I support this.

Algorithms are made to enhance attention, thus maximize dollars for those selling the means to get heard.

We do that on our own, but without the motivation of profit, power consolidation, or revenge.

I feel that we are a more peaceful species when we communicate socially, directly, without algorithms interrupting and prevaricating our exchanges of ideas.

@nikki excellent point. However I find myself wanting to “like” posts/replies as opposed to “favoriting” them. I’ve found meaningful functional distinction on other platforms…
@nikki I think of it as, "the reblog button is for sharing with others, stuff others might want to see, need to see" and the favorite is a high five to the poster, or maybe I'll want to visit that post later on. Usually, I smash both buttons, lol.