Taylor LorenzJournalists will never stick around this app long term sadly unless it adds quote posting. We desperately need it to communicate effectively, build on each others ideas, and add crucial context to posts. These are things replies simply do not accomplish. Also quote posting or reblogging does not = harassment! Tumblr, for instance, has had the feature since the beginning. We need it here now too 🙏🏻
Reblogging is organic user behavior and Twitter built the quote tweet feature because so many people were doing it manually already. It’s a huge burden on the user not to have this simple and important feature on a social platform imo (again just my personal opinion!)
John Breen@taylorlorenz I appreciate your opinion, while contending that you are wrong about this. No, you don't "need" quote tweeting, and lack of it inconveniences no-one, IMHO. It's not a "huge burden", to be sure.
@jab01701mid I specified for journalists because I do believe it is a large burden and hamstrings our ability to contextualize and build on information. Again just my opinion! 😅
Anil@jab01701mid @taylorlorenz the mastodon tools are definitely not well designed for the mainstream journalist use case. I think we can either find ones that are closer or (more likely) newer tools will arise soon that are a better fit.
Kim Crayton ~ Her/She@taylorlorenz @anildash @jab01701mid once again many regular folx, particularly from marginalized communities, are being ignored…journalists aren’t the only folx who have used QT as an effective strategy for communicating…if Mastodon is going to be anything other than a “holding space” until something better, we can’t replicate Twitter’s issue of ONLY valuing the needs of some who’re considered “important” over others whose voice need to be heard
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Sriram "sri" Ramkrishna - 😼@KimCrayton1 @taylorlorenz @anildash @jab01701mid
I feel like it's a feature abused by so-called infuencers to take advantage. In some ways they even take credit. It also diminishes discourse if we rely on influencers/journalists to add their 'hot takes'.
I feel like it's a feature abused by so-called infuencers to take advantage. In some ways they even take credit. It also diminishes discourse if we rely on influencers/journalists to add their 'hot takes'.
Jen Roth ⚾ 👟@sri @KimCrayton1 There seem to be a lot of people in here who only see QTs as negative, partly because they don't listen to people who find them useful for communicating (not grandstanding). Maybe a solution could be reached that allows for the benefits while limiting the potential for abuse, but not if people just declare that QTs have no redeeming value.
@tealdeer @KimCrayton1
Sure - I think you should be forced to give attribution when you quote tweet. Many do QTs and then don't attribute the original content - and frequently people don't engage in the original post but on the influencers.
Sure - I think you should be forced to give attribution when you quote tweet. Many do QTs and then don't attribute the original content - and frequently people don't engage in the original post but on the influencers.
naught101@naught101 @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 But the conversations are redirected to that person's timeline not the original - you could for instance respond to the original post and then boost your response for engagement. For instance, you see many boosting my response on this thread - but the engagement stays on the original author's timeline.
@sri @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 that's not related to your original comment though..
And TBH on twitter I often found myself clicking the quoted tweet and then browsing the original thread an getting in to arguments, so I don't think your second point holds either.
Also there is something to be said for being able to splitting off tangential threads so that they don't derail the original discussion (but neither platform currently does this well)
enmodo ⚛️ 🧬 🇺🇦 🍉@naught101 @sri @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 I actually frequently did the opposite. I'd get into the comments, write what I thought was good stuff and then copy it to a new tweet by me. And I'd often just make that new tweet a quote tweet for context.
israel@enmodo @naught101 @sri @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 I actually many times retweet my replies when I wanted to make others aware about one topic and my position on that. Hey, I can do that in Mastodon too. I'm not missing QT, and I would not implement it after reading pros and cons.
@enmodo @naught101 @sri @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 Mastodon is not Twitter. I'm still learning it but so far I like that this is not just a clone. It had its own philosophy and it must continue to develop independent of Twitter. Different values, different product.
@enmodo @sri @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 this seems like a good use, but what would be wrong with just linking to the toot, the way people often do for blogs and news articles?
🏳️🌈 Lucy Wildboots 
@tealdeer @sri @KimCrayton1 or it might be that we do understand and we think they are wrong. It’s a little demoralizing to be talked down to by people who have been here less than a month.
@KimCrayton1 @LucyWildboots @sri I get why that's demoralizing. But I also get why people are frustrated at being told "this tool you're asking for doesn't have any legitimate uses" when they've just said that QTs have helped them build community.
@tealdeer @KimCrayton1 @LucyWildboots
It does have legitimate uses but it also encourages anti-community behavior. If you want to build community - build it on the merits - eg like people do on Instagram. Not by generating bad or hot takes on other people's content.
@tealdeer @KimCrayton1 @sri but that isn’t actually what they say. What they say is that the community must adapt or they will leave. Many of us are fine with them leaving. Though we have enjoyed reading their ‘it’s been X days since Twitter blocked us’ using Ted Koppel’s voice
@LucyWildboots @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 They should be happy right now for this very large engagement - and there are no QTs where conversations are happening elsewhere ;)
@LucyWildboots @sri @KimCrayton1 Yeah, I'm not a fan of how Taylor Lorenz kicked this thread off and I'm not referring to her. I'm talking about @KimCrayton1 's post in this thread, and lots of other posts from Black Twitter users in general.
@tealdeer @sri @KimCrayton1 my problem with that take is that there are stories all over talking about how Masto was built on disenfranchised communities. Does #BlackMastodon need this tool or support? Not the same argument.
@tealdeer @sri @LucyWildboots surprise, surprise…all Black folx aren’t the same which mean we have different needs…ho figure
@KimCrayton1 @tealdeer @sri I have some bad news: You aren’t the only marginalized community here. See that little stripey flag by my name? Yea. So if we can build safe communities without QT, maybe look into how we did it. Or you can just default to Twitter snark.
@LucyWildboots @KimCrayton1 @tealdeer That isn't a very nice response - the stripey flag should give you a greater sense of empathy for other marginalized communities and not tell them to piss off.
@sri @KimCrayton1 @tealdeer I didn’t tell her to piss off. I asked a legit question: if others can build them with existing tools why do they specifically need this tool. I would & have challenged similar arguments when reviewing design docs & use cases.
@LucyWildboots @KimCrayton1 @tealdeer It was when you said "Or you can just default to Twitter snark." that implied if you don't like it go back to the bird site.
@sri @KimCrayton1 @tealdeer nope, that was in reference to the animated.gif. They’re really the last stand of the inarticulate.
@LucyWildboots @KimCrayton1 @tealdeer OK - fair enough. I recant my last sentence in that regard with my apologies.
@LucyWildboots @KimCrayton1 @sri @tealdeer gifs are a form of expression with a lot of history and nuance. And that “inarticulate” framing isn’t a good look.
@sri @KimCrayton1 @tealdeer @LucyWildboots please pardon my poor communications, I’m an inarticulate gif user
@tealdeer @LucyWildboots @sri @KimCrayton1 fwiw I posted that as an off the cuff thought, I didn’t mean to come off rudely and I can see why it does. The reblog thing is just a limitation I have experienced and it’s been the sticking point to getting other journalists to use this app regularly. I love it here and I want people to all be able use this platform and be happy. I definitely wish I worded things differently!
Sandhu@sri @LucyWildboots @taylorlorenz @tealdeer @KimCrayton1 it triggered a spirited debate, mostly civil. I see some good points against QTs I had not considered before. But feels like some are taking your point as whining. I don’t see it that way. Also users should be able to bring up their ideas without getting hostility from others.
aethervision 
@taylorlorenz @tealdeer @LucyWildboots @sri @KimCrayton1 I appreciate you saying this. One of the adjustments we all have to make is the very structure of this platform. Most of us deal with hierarchies with distant authority so often in daily life that we assume there’s “someone in charge” to handle our complaints or suggestions. I think this is different for many reasons.
What's it to you?@taylorlorenz @tealdeer @LucyWildboots @sri @KimCrayton1 I'm glad the conversation occurred (even if one person muted me; I don't know what it was, but I apologize!).
I had no idea how integral QTs were to communities experience.
I also wasn't aware that there are wide variances of experience within the lgbtq community itself. And best of all, I found someone with actual research on the issue (limited as it currently is).
I'll take discourse over memes any day.
Sunny Willow 🌞@tealdeer @KimCrayton1 @LucyWildboots @sri
You can build a community here without QTs, people have been doing it for years before people came from Twitter demanding it change into Twitter 2.0 for them.