If you’re one of the tens of millions of hardworking people wondering why your $10K or $20K student loan forgiveness is on hold, here’s why.
A GOP plaintiff—who himself had $48K in PPP loans forgiven—is suing because he only got only $10K—not $20K—in student loan forgiveness.🤦🏽♂️ So he’s suing to burn it all down. The GOP hypocrisy and war on working people is truly a thing to behold.
And this is why we can’t have nice things. Smh.
@sspopovich @alexch @QasimRashid
Corporate Personhood isn't just murderous, it's blasphemous
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@QasimRashid @PeachMcD @nicerobot my definition of centrism is “it’s not an ideology, it’s a tactic for getting political power”
if you define your ideals as “somewhere in the middle” then you have no ideals; moderation may be a virtue but by itself, it always supports the status quo
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Centrist is the rational policies that balance worker, society, business, and government priorities, acknowledging that government is important and requires compromise while requiring constraints on its breadth and it embraces the complexities of the system. It believes that both extremes are dangerous and fights against them. e.g. To consider markets w/o labor is partisan manipulation. All policies must consider the inherent pluralities of the issues.
@nicerobot @PeachMcD @QasimRashid
that sounds nice but in nearly every practical case there are WAY more than two extremes
and centrists usually (definitionally?) assume the fallacy that messy moral compromises are always preferable to clear, elegant, effective policies that must actually pick a winner between competing interests— which ends up meaning moneyed interests usually get their way at the expense of everyone else’s welfare and ideals
@alexch @QasimRashid I don't think so. The legality of one-time student loan debt relief is dependent on the pandemic and the HEROES act.
The amount of forgiveness doesn't really matter, legally (imo).
However, the current program is projected at a cost of $400 billion. If they forgave it all, that would be $1.6 trillion, or 4x as much. It shouldn't matter legally, but it probably would impact court decisions and public opinion negatively.
(I agree in forgiving it all.)
@britishtechguru It's unfair to offer vaccines for terrible diseases when so many people survived the disease without the vaccine.
Surviving an injustice doesn't mean we let it be imposed on others—it means we work harder to ensure future generations don't have to suffer that same injustice.
@QasimRashid @britishtechguru
Exactly! "Surviving an injustice doesn't mean we let it be imposed on others"
How about child labor? Because some children worked in horrific conditions does that mean others should, too?
Minimum wage: Some worked for years earning only 4.75 Why shouldn't everyone have to work for years before getting their measly $7.25
Life is unfair.
This is progress that makes our country more prosperous and more globally competitive.
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"Holy shit." -me, reading his other comments.
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The loan forgiveness sounds all well and good but I feel like it is not addressing the elephant in the room as to why they need to be forgiven and how we correct it moving forward.
Are the loans predatory?
Are the wages for graduates not sufficient?
Are the schools unfunded?
Are the school's finances being managed responsibly?
Are we going to have future rounds of loan forgiveness thus creating an indirect subsidy for higher ed loan practices?
@QasimRashid what a horrendously bad idea the student loan bailout is.
Spending tax dollars to pay off the student loans of upper class and upper middle class Americans is shameless.
Let's hope it never gets through the courts.
@BeegyPsi @QasimRashid The student loan relief is intended for low- to middle-income borrowers.
Where are you getting your "upper class and upper middle class" info?
The white house considers people making "up to $125,000 / year" to be low income. 😂
By definition, if you have a degree, you're already in the top 40% of the most privileged people in the wealthiest country in history.
@AnaKaye @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid
I understand exactly what "up to" means.
Thanks for attempting to help with my english comprehension.
That said, I'd encourage you to reread and reconsider.
I'll repeat: an engineer with a STARTING salary that is TWICE the national average for TOTAL salaries (not just starting) will have their loans paid off by plumbers, teachers, baristas and construction workers.
It's not that difficult to understand.
@BeegyPsi @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid you still don't understand. The person making $30K will ALSO get their loans paid off. That's what UP TO means. You're only focusing on the top of the range and ignoring everyone below that level. Not to mention that some of the people you mentioned make more than that upper limit (plumbers can make damn good money).
Get a clue.
@AnaKaye @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid
No no, I definitely understand every single one of your talking points.
You think people deserve a handout, and your defense is that others have gotten one before this.
It's fine to disagree, but if you want to be a rude cunt, then you do you I guess. I don't think national policy is going to be decided based out this particular thread, so no real loss.
I guess I'll go find myself that clue...
@BeegyPsi @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid So now it's about "handouts" rather than your faux concern over teachers, baristas, or anyone else helping engineers *and each other* get out from under crushing debt. At least you're being honest this time.
You clearly don't want anyone to be helped, because "handouts". I'd ask how you feel about handouts to wealthy people and corporations, but I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to that.
@AnaKaye @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid
No no, please tell me how I feel about handouts for corporations.
There was never any "faux concern". You continue to argue with personal attacks. Like a child.
But to be clear, yes, I very much view this as a handout. Not only a handout, but a handout funded by the working class to pay for the education of the white collared wealthy. It is a handout. Period.
@BeegyPsi @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid Also, the idea that everyone with a degree is wealthy is ridiculous. The idea that white-collar jobs all have high pay is equally ridiculous.
You have a grossly oversimplified view of the world, which is a very childish trait. Have you ever heard the term "projection"?
@AnaKaye @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid
Governance isn't about corner cases. It's about doing the most good for the most people. Statistically speaking, you're talking nonsense.
Percentage of Americans with degrees: 42%
Source: https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2021/07/01/how-many-americans-have-college-degrees/
Average Salary by Education Level
High School Diploma: $42,081
Associate Degree: $50,093
Bachelor’s Degree: $69,381
Master’s Degree: $100,060
Source: https://duckduckgo.com?q=salaries%20by%20education%20level&ko=-1
You continue with ad hominem attacks. This will be my last reply.
@AnaKaye @WrenegadeW @QasimRashid
The solution is easy: people should be held responsible for the loans they choose to take on. That's what it means to be an adult in the real world.
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