For me, it's if they can federate. Might be more than one fediverse.
@bhaugen "fediverse" originally described only the OStatus apps. The apps federating using Diaspora's protocol set were "The Federation". See Sean's article from a year ago:
https://medium.com/we-distribute/a-quick-guide-to-the-free-network-c069309f334
Usage seems to have drifted since then to being a catch-all term, and I guess I'm just wondering if that's a consensus or if there' anyone who thinks a narrower definition is still useful?
Another question about the wonderful proliferation of ActivityPub apps: how many of them can somebody use in or from their own pub?
I mean, could something like the flock of apps envisions by the Open App Ecosystem be created using ActivityPub and a flock of compliant apps? Or does each of the apps want to be the center of their own fediverse?
Or to ask the same question another way, how many of those apps could act like ActivityPub plugins?
(Did that all make sense?)
Should have added the link:
https://www.loomio.org/g/exAKrBUp/open-app-ecosystem
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@bhaugen
> how many of them can somebody use in or from their own pub?
Do you mean 1) a pub, as in a public bar? In which case the answer would be any that support the server>client part of AP, or have mobile-friendly web clients, or have their own mobile apps.
OR
2) the same thing I have called a 'digital cafe'? In which case the answer is all of them.
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2018/06/12/from-digital-cages-to-cooperative-digital-cafes/
@bhaugen
> does each of the apps want to be the center of their own fediverse?
Yes and no. Each app has its own project goals, and reasons for their technical choices and priorities, but I think everyone understands that we are stronger together due to the #NetworkEffect. That's why there is such a strong wave of support for implementing AP, even among projects that have their own preferred protocols (eg #Hubzilla and the #IndieWeb)
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@strypey
> > how many of them can somebody use in or from their own pub?
> Do you mean 1) a pub, as in a public bar?
I mean pub as my own personal ActivityPub. I answered Strypey in a DM from my personal pub, but am also answering here publicly because I saw this thread again and realized there was no answer in my social.coop timelines.
We're ( @mayel @ivan and @lynnfoster ) experimenting with an agent-centric ActivityPub-based combination economic+social network. More later.
@strypey @mayel @ivan @lynnfoster
I haven't federated much with my personal pub beyond our small group because I don't want much noise at this stage of the experiment.
One roadmap item that might be interesting to people here is, we want to include some Loomio-like governance features along with economic and social interactions. So those are in your main sreams, you don't need to go elsewhere.
If anybody is interested and wants to collaborate on those, please reply to this toot.
@strypey @mayel @ivan @lynnfoster
Here's the code. Based on Pleroma:
https://gitlab.com/OpenCoop/CommonsPub
Mayel's work so far. Ivan is working on a new UI.
@strypey @bhaugen What do you guys make of the Dweb summit last month
https://decentralizedweb.net/
Notably Juan Benet
https://decentralizedweb.net/videos/talk-juan-benetdweb-progress-where-have-we-been-whats-next/
1st 25min = celebration of fediversal nature of decentralised web (not ActivityPub centred)
2nd 25min = challenges to be met next
From my non-hacker viewpoint, I'm unable to tell where fediverse and Dweb join up, where they branch, where they run parallel. They all matter, for sure
Plenty of 'big picture' call to arms eg cory doctorow
https://decentralizedweb.net/cory-doctorow/
This is the first post in a series about the distributed/decentralized web, introducing projects that cover social communication, online identity, file sharing, new economic models, as well as high-level application ...
Strypey has been following more of this stuff than me.
I've been following mostly three streams that I think are potentially usable for distributed economic networks: ActivityPub, SSB, and Holochain,
I think all of these developments were spawned from a disturbance in the Internets caused by surveillance capitalism, e.g. FB and Google in particular.
Some of them will converge. Those that converge will survive and create something different.
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