Christina Hendricks@fgraver @Dan_Blick @mahabali @Tdorey @katebowles @actualham @Autumm @jaklumen I find it interesting that sometimes people feel more comfortable online than irl, that those who are more introverted irl might be more extroverted online. I have this tendency myself, and really grabbed onto some open online spaces like a course called #etmooc (where I met @fgraver & @Patlockley) b/c I was able to communicate so much more deeply online than I would ever do w/strangers in person. Why might that be?
Dan Blickensderfer@clhendricksbc @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @Patlockley @jaklumen I have found this to be true in myself and some others and I don't have a great idea why (beyond @Patlockley's cheeky/probably correct explanation, anyway). Part of it is surely (for me) my great comfort with expressing myself intentionally and completely, in writing, when I've had sufficient processing/revision/time to do so. As an aside, I've moved from 140 chars to 500 and may yet blog (again). :)
Patlockley@Dan_Blick @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen people think i am a bit ferocious online and i put that down to vernaculars i grew up in and now i suspect like txtspk and emoji we've got new ones. There is also much more.scope to be silent online and not be rude
Maha Bali مها بالي@Patlockley @Tdorey @katebowles @actualham @Dan_Blick @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen i am pretty scared of u online, Pat, as I feel if i say anything that is not 100% thought out i may get strongly critiqued. This is not because you are really scary, it is probably on me. And i do not think u ever did anything to me...but i feel like i don't understand most of what ur saying and why because I lack context rather than because it is ferocious. Dunno if that makes sense
I'm trying to imagine @mahabali scared of anything and it's not working. :) @Tdorey @katebowles @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen
Alan Levine@Dan_Blick @mahabali @Tdorey @katebowles @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen Having met Pat in person I can vouch that he is as far from scary as you can get (sorry for blowing your cover).
I like that online the mirrors of our selves can have all kinds of curvatures of distortion. We say identity like its a fixed quantity. A student once described for her it was an iris (as in opening) that we change its dimensions in different contexts.
Kate@cogdog @Dan_Blick @mahabali @Tdorey @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen I find I'm not usually surprised by meeting people offline, beyond "oh, taller than I thought you'd be", or the reverse. I like learning the sound of someone's accent, the pitch of their voice.
Laura Ritchie 🌸@katebowles @cogdog @Dan_Blick @mahabali @Tdorey @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen after knowing someone well via skype for a year, when we met in person I was greeted with - oh, so you do have feet ;)
Fredrik Graver 🎥🥌@lauraritchie @katebowles @cogdog @Dan_Blick @mahabali @Tdorey @actualham @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen FEET? I'm still getting over that people have voices and faces...
@fgraver @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen what if there was a 'room' where you could be a talking head, ephemeral, don't know how you could or if you would want to log it, extension of the coffee house metaphor, but exploring a different medium than typing? ...just daydreaming here...
@lauraritchie @fgraver @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen google had a 3d chat room thing for a week or two. Perhaps social media needs a people who are here box?
@Patlockley @fgraver @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen I had idea while ago. Wanted to call it sofa 2 stage + would be a repository of different images & places & idea was w/ simple VR headset + 3D camera (I got ThetaS) could develop progressive experiences for ppl to talk, play, perform... & would be great in school. Company got interested & I got worried. Didn't have time to learn code. Someone should develop as open ed resource... :)
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen (part 2) I have loads of images & idea is that it would also have the pedagogical framework to go with it - about performance coaching/learning,. I'd love to do it.... just need the tech side. *sigh*
Tanya **moved**@lauraritchie @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen I'd love to hear more about this ideas. I'be got visions of folks dropping in leaving something & some else finding it (not sure that's at all what you have in mind)
@Tdorey @lauraritchie @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen This was my experience of federated wiki -- the asynchronous leaving and finding of tiny idea notes. I was really compelled by this, enough to struggle with the functions given my poor tech skills.
I think it's something to consider here. A slow-moving makerspace of ideas.
Studio.
@Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @Patlockley @jaklumen This is really a reply to @clhendricksbc about branching paths. On a laptop, I like that every new thought in this conversation jumps right back to @actualham's original comment about stepping away and coming back.
It feels as though mastodon comes with a longer memory for a thread once you find it; but harder to find it.
@katebowles @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @Patlockley @jaklumen That's true, Kate--it does go back there. But I also find that sometimes you get onto a thread and think you're seeing all the replies but actually there are whole other branches you're missing that you might stumble upon sometimes by accident. wouldn't it be cool if there were a way to image those somehow, graphically, & follow them out?
@clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @Patlockley @jaklumen This is *exactly* the question I went over and over with federated wiki.
If I wrote something, and someone forked it, but then someone else forked it, the branching paths could never find each other again. And after a while I found myself grieving these lost connections.
Is there a way to map the garden of branching paths?
@katebowles @clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @jaklumen The Hendricks and i discussed a wordpress plugin to bring threading to posts - mostly as an OER revision tracker - but could do this easy enough to code
@Patlockley @katebowles @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @jaklumen Cool--I'm now a "the"! :) I guess I keep having similar thoughts over the years, as I'm hoping we can do something like that again.
@clhendricksbc @katebowles @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @jaklumen it'd be easy to do, but not building stuff these days without definite users
@Patlockley @clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @jaklumen Wait, explain this to me slowly. Threaded posts.
@katebowles @clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @jaklumen also, why go for threads when you could lattice? Or Mesh? Why can't the same toot be a reply to the different toots.
@Patlockley Now you're talking. I think the main need is for some way to navigate the mesh, so you can follow a conversation, but also tie different strands back together if necessary.
@katebowles @clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @jaklumen
@fgraver @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen perhaps, but once a mesh exists then what constitutes a link between elements. Could you mesh just on replies - or could you mesh on toots with the same link, or same picture or same hashtag?
@Patlockley My first thought is just on replies. Seems to be the most basic level.
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@fgraver @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen yeah, but why base that as primary, i think you get to reinterpret if we debase a little
@Patlockley For me, the conversation is the key; thus the interesting thing is following the replies and threads of thought. Keep in mind I know nothing (to my shame) about the code that makes these things work and what is preferable on a technical level.
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@fgraver @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen it isn't a code level, am trying to be agnostic as to what a conversation is
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen guess a bit like federalism here - is talking about the same link one conversation or n conversations about 1 thing
@Patlockley Ok, I think I get it. For me, it's about the replies. No matter how many voices, as long as people keep replying to the last comment, there's a thread. My experience is many online discussions are only one thread, but in cases like this one we're all in here, there are many and we need a way to navigate them all in order to follow the narrative, and perhaps tie some together.
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@fgraver @Patlockley @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen I feel some responsibility lies with each of us as we post. Otherwise it will be near impossible to deduce content/topics and branches as we go. At the moment, branches seem to be 'labelled' by the @ list, instead of by topic. What if we did both? That way either an algorithm or active person could begin to sort? #WonderingOutLoud
@lauraritchie I've been wondering about labelling too. I thought perhaps hashtags could help? But it's hard to say; could anyone have predicted that the original post by @actualham would have led to this wonderful chaos of a conversation?
@Patlockley @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @Dan_Blick @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@fgraver @Tdorey @katebowles @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen interesting point about hashtags being a priori setting expectations of what a thread might be about.
@mahabali @Tdorey @katebowles @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen hashtags don't work (for me) if there is federation as why not fire up a mastadon just for that conf or that area?
This is a very intending idea @Patlockley. It's not now but I think with some (serious) testing and configuration (and hi-strength duct tape) this or something like it could be spun up on demand just like a WordPress instance can be. Is that want you are thinking?
@mahabali @Tdorey @katebowles @cogdog @actualham @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@Dan_Blick @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen adding @blamb to ask what he thinks of all this? (if you have time to check the back log of the conversation?)
Brian Lamb@lauraritchie @Dan_Blick @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen I certainly don't want to pass up an invite to what has been a fascinating dinner party. Sadly, I don't have a lot of substance to add on questions of hosting, threading (latticing or meshing) etc... It is fun to think on.
I've also noticed how the discussion history changes based on entry point. Which would annoy me normally, but here seems to add a shambling charm.
@blamb @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen perhaps 'The Dinner Party' could be the name for the open conference without speakers. Only tables and meals. :) and maybe music...
Autumm@lauraritchie @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @blamb @Dan_Blick @fgraver @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen Can we make it a Salon - pretty please.
Sundi Richard@Autumm @lauraritchie @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @blamb @Dan_Blick @fgraver @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen K. I'm going to be honest that I did not read this fairly long thread due to white on black text (ouch). But read a lot. And fact that it is so long is testament to earlier part of convo, this is strange space because it is easy/hard to find conversation. It's there, but you have to look, not just browse. Kinda like blog comments aggregated in one space.
@sundilu @Autumm @lauraritchie @Tdorey @katebowles @cogdog @actualham @blamb @Dan_Blick @fgraver @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen
(side note
I have my Kindle and Twitter set to white on black text because that is more comfortable to read in the dark which is what I do most often...it surprises me that others find it uncomfortable but I realize it makes Mastodon more familiar to me than other ppl feel. Is there research on this))
(side note
I have my Kindle and Twitter set to white on black text because that is more comfortable to read in the dark which is what I do most often...it surprises me that others find it uncomfortable but I realize it makes Mastodon more familiar to me than other ppl feel. Is there research on this))
jmz🦀(CARCIFIED)@sundilu @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @blamb @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen hi Sundi, and others who might be having trouble with large bodies of text on the default mastodon look :)
To make things a little easier on the eye there's a high contrast user style 'skin' for mastodon by @marrus_sh you can find here: https://mastodon.social/users/marrus_sh/updates/410565