@jaklumen @Tdorey @actualham @Dan_Blick @fgraver @Autumm I feel we don't talk nearly enough about introversion in networks. I'm the same. My head fills up and I stop thinking. @mahabali has thought about this a bit too.
So I'm really interested in what makes a network hospitable to both introverts and extroverts by design?
@Dan_Blick @mahabali @Tdorey @katebowles @actualham @Autumm @jaklumen These are interesting questions. I'm an introvert, fairly shy, and quite familiar with "impostor syndrome". I've learned to live with all these things, but they combine to make me avoid social gatherings with people I don't know well.
Online is different. I can jump in here in a way I would never dream of irl.
@Dan_Blick @mahabali @Tdorey @katebowles @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen Having met Pat in person I can vouch that he is as far from scary as you can get (sorry for blowing your cover).
I like that online the mirrors of our selves can have all kinds of curvatures of distortion. We say identity like its a fixed quantity. A student once described for her it was an iris (as in opening) that we change its dimensions in different contexts.
@Tdorey @lauraritchie @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen This was my experience of federated wiki -- the asynchronous leaving and finding of tiny idea notes. I was really compelled by this, enough to struggle with the functions given my poor tech skills.
I think it's something to consider here. A slow-moving makerspace of ideas.
Studio.
@Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @Patlockley @jaklumen This is really a reply to @clhendricksbc about branching paths. On a laptop, I like that every new thought in this conversation jumps right back to @actualham's original comment about stepping away and coming back.
It feels as though mastodon comes with a longer memory for a thread once you find it; but harder to find it.
@clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @Patlockley @jaklumen This is *exactly* the question I went over and over with federated wiki.
If I wrote something, and someone forked it, but then someone else forked it, the branching paths could never find each other again. And after a while I found myself grieving these lost connections.
Is there a way to map the garden of branching paths?
@katebowles @Patlockley Yes please. Me too. And also - what do you mean by definite users?
@clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @jaklumen
@fgraver @katebowles @clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @jaklumen I have built a lot of stuff based on "demand", but once done "demand" seems "less"* than "expected"**
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@Patlockley There is that. Capitalism provides the treat and the bell, but never asks what's the point of making the dog drool. After all, once Pavlov achieved that he moved on to other things. The poor dog, on the other hand, was left with an embarrasing, involuntary habit...
We are trained to want shiny, new toys.
@Patlockley Now you're talking. I think the main need is for some way to navigate the mesh, so you can follow a conversation, but also tie different strands back together if necessary.
@katebowles @clhendricksbc @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @jaklumen
@Patlockley My first thought is just on replies. Seems to be the most basic level.
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@Patlockley For me, the conversation is the key; thus the interesting thing is following the replies and threads of thought. Keep in mind I know nothing (to my shame) about the code that makes these things work and what is preferable on a technical level.
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@Patlockley Ok, I think I get it. For me, it's about the replies. No matter how many voices, as long as people keep replying to the last comment, there's a thread. My experience is many online discussions are only one thread, but in cases like this one we're all in here, there are many and we need a way to navigate them all in order to follow the narrative, and perhaps tie some together.
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@Patlockley Which I suppose means the answer to your question is "yes". It's both one complex conversation and several related conversations. Not sure what that means for creating a method of navigation.
@Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@lauraritchie I've been wondering about labelling too. I thought perhaps hashtags could help? But it's hard to say; could anyone have predicted that the original post by @actualham would have led to this wonderful chaos of a conversation?
@Patlockley @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @Dan_Blick @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
This is a very intending idea @Patlockley. It's not now but I think with some (serious) testing and configuration (and hi-strength duct tape) this or something like it could be spun up on demand just like a WordPress instance can be. Is that want you are thinking?
@mahabali @Tdorey @katebowles @cogdog @actualham @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen
@lauraritchie @Dan_Blick @Tdorey @katebowles @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen I certainly don't want to pass up an invite to what has been a fascinating dinner party. Sadly, I don't have a lot of substance to add on questions of hosting, threading (latticing or meshing) etc... It is fun to think on.
I've also noticed how the discussion history changes based on entry point. Which would annoy me normally, but here seems to add a shambling charm.
@blamb @lauraritchie @Dan_Blick @Tdorey @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen
It's a maze, that every time you start over can take you a different route, or not. Shambling charm, improv, narrative remix, it's all there. I keep finding breakout detours that I didn't know were there.
Thinking: what this has been quietly doing all along is thickening up my understanding of things. Learning by retracking.
@Patlockley @mahabali @Tdorey @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @jaklumen Did you read @Triplefox proposal on rooms?
I lack the tech; I only grasp the spatial metaphors. I understand a room to be a pop-up space within a federated instance. So it would seem kind of perfect for short-duration events.
@clhendricksbc @lauraritchie Tha looks a little like Pearltrees before they switched over to tiles (and I stopped using it). It was a fantastic tool for organizing information in a visual way.
@katebowles @Patlockley @mahabali @Tdorey @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @Autumm @jaklumen @Triplefox
@Triplefox oh no. Now I am thinking about how come we just accept that our email isn't technically our own or within our control (I mean i have thought about it, but now thinking more about why we accept that certain things are just how internet works. Renewing domaim registration annually, email on someone else's terms...)
@Tdorey @katebowles @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Patlockley @jaklumen
@Patlockley @katebowles @clhendricksbc @mahabali @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @jaklumen THIS is whY I want to try to manually map this wonderful thread. Things are spinning off & then converging again. It's not just about who is replying to whom but also the topics they are discussing.
I've got a fuzzy idea just beyond what I can completely conceive. Might need to take a day off to work on it...
@katebowles @Patlockley @clhendricksbc @Tdorey @cogdog @actualham @Dan_Blick @lauraritchie @fgraver @Autumm @jaklumen
This blogpost I wrote is tangentially related to our Mastodon discussions. I cant remember which thread (!?!) but might as well be this one since it is the active one these days
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