Chris PittsA note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
John Maxwell@thirstybear Also, fire does have constructive uses. Not so LLMs.
Edward@thirstybear I think they mean machine learning, not llms
ResunaLLMs are like AN/FO explosive when compared to most uses of machine learning style fire.
"You object to me blowing up your house but I see you using a gas stove."
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear You probably use an ML system every time you spend money - every transaction is fraud scored at some point, some multiple times.
ScriptFanix💍
@TimWardCam
*Someone* (bank or payment processor) uses ML (edit: which are not LLMs) to check my transactions, not me and not (usually) the party I'm actively engaging with. What was your point?
@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
*Someone* (bank or payment processor) uses ML (edit: which are not LLMs) to check my transactions, not me and not (usually) the party I'm actively engaging with. What was your point?
@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
@ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear That not all "AI" is LLM and not all non-LLM "AI" is evil. Many people here get that, but there are plenty who don't.
eestileib (she/hers)@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
Oh come on, when people shit on AI they are not coming for camera autofocus.
This is a moral issue, directly linked to active genocide, and most AI true believers publicly hope for human extinction.
707Kat@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear people know that. That’s why “AI” is in quotations.
James 🌈💜Are you uh... Trying to prove the original post? 'Cause you're talking about gas stoves here.
@ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear If you use the term AI in modern language, you're talking about LLMs. Part of the scam is to pretend that they are synonyms, and they've won that fight.
You're helping with the con by continuing to refer to actual useful technologies as "AI".
Scalzi meant AI in the colloquial sense of LLMs. Stop playing "well actually" games that only benefit con artists.
@jmax 💯
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear
@ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear The one that pisses me off is "organic", but I accept that that one's lost.
Nils Ballmann@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear Well actually... *scnr* in computer games I shot AI – for the past two to three decades. It's fun. And in recent games, e.g. Arc Raiders, AI behavior is actually machine learnt. Even funnier to outsmart that...
@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear
Organic, chemical free. I guess it's some kind of crystallized energy.
@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
Don't refer to any of them as AI, just because they're lying doesn't mean you have to lie too.
LeBonk@LeBonk @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
I just call them LLMs. AI is a field of research. LLMs are a spin-off, but they're not AI in the science fiction sense anymore than a Fisher Space Pen is a rocket just because it's a spin-off of the space industry.
@resuna @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
yeah but this also includes image generators and things that maybe can't be accurately described as dealing with "language" in its output
Kate Crawford's term "large-scale computing" is also good as a reminder that these things are really just the same sort of thing we've had for a while, but bigger, more resource-intensive, and more exploitative
yeah but this also includes image generators and things that maybe can't be accurately described as dealing with "language" in its output
Kate Crawford's term "large-scale computing" is also good as a reminder that these things are really just the same sort of thing we've had for a while, but bigger, more resource-intensive, and more exploitative
@resuna
@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
also if you wanna be more specific, u can say something like "plausible sentence generator", "plausible image generator", "plausible code generator", or whatever
so, for example, Minnesota recently banned plausible nude generators
@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
also if you wanna be more specific, u can say something like "plausible sentence generator", "plausible image generator", "plausible code generator", or whatever
so, for example, Minnesota recently banned plausible nude generators
UkeleleEric@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear AI is a meaningless term. For a start, nobody really believes that machines, algorithms or tools are really sentient beings (as far as I can see, the only ones who claim that are the notorious liars who actually make the tools and a few people who are of sub-par intelligence who have been duped by their marketing), or in any meaningful sense, 'intelligent'. So, we shouldn't use the term at all. Call them slopbots, slop distributors.
@UkeleleEric @ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear It used to be useful as a catch-all term for a loose collection of academic research on "things it's hard to program a computer to do". No more.
@ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @thirstybear yeah I get that ai refers to generative ai nowadays, which is why I clarified to machine learning which does in my opinion have legitimate use cases
Siderea, Sibylla Bostoniensis@TimWardCam Lots of comments arguing that this is not what people are complaining about, so I felt I should point out whatever system my cash back for groceries card is using for fraud detection is an absolute sack of shit, excelling at both Type 1 *and* Type 2 errors.
@siderea @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear Yes, there are several suppliers of such systems in a highly competitive market and some are better than others.
The systems are largely sold on false positive rate - false positives are expensive, because they piss off your customers and you need to pay humans to man a call centre to deal with the complaints.
@yugthebug @thirstybear No. There are no commercial services that use anything except LLMs. The techbros really belive it's a universal solution.
In the modern world, AI == LLM.
In the modern world, AI == LLM.
Krutonium://@jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear Weather Prediction? Valve Anti Cheat (since at least 2019)?
They're out there, they're just not screaming it into the void.
@jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear I was only refuting the claim about no commercial services using non LLM AI.
Everything else that was said is true
Just to add some lol to this: Australia's BOM are using Anthropic's LLMs to "assist" the accuracy of their predictions.
@shaknais that's... Not *really* what I was talking about lol.
Modern Weather Prediction Models are basically trained models that don't communicate in a normal language, but in weather.
You feed them historical data, current weather, and other relevant data like the date, and it predicts what weather comes next - and actually more accurately and faster than traditional weather modeling.
Yeah, I understand the modelling. I just don't understand the BOM who had all that, and decided to throw an LLM on top of it, and then got confused when their accuracy dropped off so sharply there's a Senate inquiry.
They're using Claude. Just Claude.
@shaknais Oh. Oh.
LevkaLLM ≠ AI
@LevZadov @yugthebug @thirstybear I'm sorry, but you've lost that fight. In general usage, LLM is exactly what AI means.