we got a lot of work to do to reimagine our relationship with nature

@susankayequinn Caterpillars are nice, too. :)

With regards to nature, so many city folk are so disengaged with it that they attempt to take selfies with Bisons to feel they have a connection.

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Not just “city folk”. I live in rural #Norfolk in the #UK and the amount of people that still cling on to this idea that we all need lawns (or worse, paving) rather than wild flowers, trees and hedgerows is quite frankly astonishing.
@CStamp I think there's a lot of hate for "city folk" and while I agree that a lot of people are super disengaged from nature, I feel the people who are taking selfie with Bison are a special kind of stupid who can live anywhere and feel particularly entitled so I think that's more likely to be conservatives but 🤷‍♀️

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Yes! Caterpillars are so effin’ cute! The way they move, their broad spectrum of colors, and their cute little mouths when they’re eating those leafs.

As a kid I used to love spending time in the grass, checking them out and letting them crawl over my hands.

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@susankayequinn why poison them when we can just recruit OTHER bugs to eat them?
@psistarpsiii watch out, now! You might make a whole ecosystem!
@susankayequinn OH NO they’re onto my plan!
@psistarpsiii @susankayequinn cause then you have to recruit birds to eat *those* 🤔
@hazelnot @psistarpsiii @susankayequinn just don’t introduce them to your GI tract, recall what happened to the old lady who swallowed a fly
@susankayequinn I have a small rowan tree in a pot, and the first summer every leaf on it was consumed by caterpillars. It stayed completely bare all summer. But it came back like crazy the next year and after that they left it alone. Thinking perhaps they made a deal 😉
@LillyHerself ha! Yes, and we have to understand that we're the interlopers in the ecosystem. If they struggle to find a balance it's usually our fault.
@susankayequinn The USian education system at work.
@susankayequinn I struggled to explain this to my wife when I bought a bunch of milkweed for our butterfly garden, which were then completely devoured to just "ugly sticks" (her phrase; not mine)

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Caterpillars > butterflies anyway 😏

@susankayequinn hence why I was like "how do you incorporate ants as eco engineers" same with caterpiliars i guess. its systems inclusion of another sort. i dont think we get like "a better relationship with bugs" but i think we can create a systems model of leveraging these for better systesm through better systems research and we can create a sort of integrated model and tell myths, stories all based on this. its kinda like permaculture but permaculture is also vauge and not a specific science discipline. but its prinicpals do on average still old true for people and work. im really getting at a better theoretical backing that once we can mythologize it we can really sell it. but the trick is helping people see the feedback loops. and can i also say "didnt these kids grow a caterpiliar in school. whats wrong with them they saw the butterfly"

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Nonetheless, all tomato hornworms in my garden will Die.

@susankayequinn except for that white cabbage butterfly, those little bastards! Can barely grow brassica anymore. I do admire the amazing amount of caterpillars that come from such a tiny creature. Seems like a pound of chicken food comes in an a quarter ounce wing. amazing!

I don’t spray I just keep a close watch and pick em for the hens. They love em!

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I imagine the human ape's relationship with nature is supposed to be one of always nurturing nature. I imagine this is our species being, an essential quality of human which we are alienated from. In place of nature nurturer we are capitalism's consumers, wage slaves and dispossessed.

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I absolutely adore seeing holes nibbled in my plants. Weird galls on the leaves and stems? Woohoo!! A plant planted in its local/appropriate ecosystem is like an apartment building for all kinds of wildlife, and it's a fascinating privilege to be able to observe it all unfolding.
@susankayequinn Last year I decided to grow kale on a whim, and once when I was cooking and recipe had some kale in it, I thought I will just get some from my garden. Except the plant was full of caterpillars. As I had complained most of the summer how there's no butterflies anymore, I had to make decision that maybe they can have the kale, so there would be more butterflies to come. After all, the kale was leafing late into autumn so I got my share after the caterpillar-time was over.
@lepaggoth my friends like to plant food or even food forests while I'm planting herbs and mostly native plants--I call it Food For the Forest :)
@susankayequinn I admit I've been interested in food forests lately, though my gardening could be best described as chaos gardening - I plant things and sometimes they thrive, sometimes not. (I've been lucky in that sense I didn't accidentally plant invasive plants before the common knowledge about invasive and native plants started to grow. Unless some varieties of saskatoon are declared invasive in coming years, as I do have couple of bushes in my hedge and can't recall variety...)
@susankayequinn caterpillars are better than butterflies because you can go "eeh err, eeh err, eeh err" while they do their cute little walk