adb1d ago

I am very sorry for you to need to cope with this:

the best option for private chatting TODAY when it comes to #security, usability/user-friendly, #resilience, #digitalindependence and #freedom is #DeltaChat a chat app that uses #SMTP + #IMAP at its backbone, not your favorite "perfect" chat protocol, you don't need new better protocols, you need tools that actually work for the people

#xmpp #matrix #simplex #signal

Show threadpixelschubsi15h ago

@adbenitez It's easy to say that one doesn't need better protocols after those better protocols have become so ubiquitous that you don't even realize how you're using them yourself.

Apple APNS and Google FCM use #XMPP technology to deliver push messages instantly. All the other messengers listed (#Signal, #Element, #DeltaChat) thus use XMPP technology. Everyone uses XMPP, but when it is about marketing, suddenly XMPP is not necessary.

Show threadDelta Chat6h ago
@pixelschubsi @adbenitez new protocols are fine. The point may rather be that contrary to popular nerd belief protocols are only one part of an effort. What distinguishes #deltachat from #xmpp is that one is a cross-platform mass-user focused app with a consistent UX across the platforms and using standards under the hood, while the other is a set of specs with many different implementations and UX approaches on the various platforms, and sometimes tenuous compatibility between them.
Show threadpixelschubsi3h ago
@delta @adbenitez consistent UX, except when not.
Show threadAndrey [0xdc, 0x09];2h ago
@pixelschubsi @delta @adbenitez
It's not listed as an official client implementation
Show threadpixelschubsi2h ago
@darkcat09 @delta @adbenitez Official client implementation of what? Chatmail website also lists a lot of implementations with largely different UX: https://chatmail.at/clients
Chatmail: Clients

Chatmail provides FOSS infrastructure for interoperable, secure, speedy and reliable end-to-end encrypted messaging. Check out clients as Arcane Chat, Bots or Delta Chat today!

Show threadAndrey [0xdc, 0x09];
@pixelschubsi @delta @adbenitez
Oh. I think we should make a "community" section on that page too, and list official clients separately at the top.

Actually i meant this list:
https://support.delta.chat/t/list-of-all-known-client-projects/3059

Which is referenced as "Alternative clients" on this page:
https://delta.chat/en/download

I didn't expect you were reading the chatmail website when we're talking only about Delta
List of all known Client Projects

Official These are the officially endorsed clients. These clients are the most “complete” in terms of functionality. Except for deltatouch all of them are maintained and published by merlinux. deltachat-android Official android client, the first app that ever existed for deltachat. fun fact: UI was originally forked from signal and then adjusted to look more like telegram. (at some point we also tried working with telegram’s ui, but their code was too strange for us to understand) language: ...

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