adb1d ago

I am very sorry for you to need to cope with this:

the best option for private chatting TODAY when it comes to #security, usability/user-friendly, #resilience, #digitalindependence and #freedom is #DeltaChat a chat app that uses #SMTP + #IMAP at its backbone, not your favorite "perfect" chat protocol, you don't need new better protocols, you need tools that actually work for the people

#xmpp #matrix #simplex #signal

Show threadpixelschubsi18h ago

@adbenitez It's easy to say that one doesn't need better protocols after those better protocols have become so ubiquitous that you don't even realize how you're using them yourself.

Apple APNS and Google FCM use #XMPP technology to deliver push messages instantly. All the other messengers listed (#Signal, #Element, #DeltaChat) thus use XMPP technology. Everyone uses XMPP, but when it is about marketing, suddenly XMPP is not necessary.

Show threadDelta Chat9h ago
@pixelschubsi @adbenitez new protocols are fine. The point may rather be that contrary to popular nerd belief protocols are only one part of an effort. What distinguishes #deltachat from #xmpp is that one is a cross-platform mass-user focused app with a consistent UX across the platforms and using standards under the hood, while the other is a set of specs with many different implementations and UX approaches on the various platforms, and sometimes tenuous compatibility between them.
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@delta @pixelschubsi @adbenitez

We don't need #xmpp with "consistent user interfaces" (for the user) – that's from #Psi+ to #Movim. Nothing in common, except what's under the hood.

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Show threadpixelschubsi8h ago
@johan @delta @adbenitez XMPP is a protocol, not a messenger. A protocol doesn't have UX, let alone consistent. Saying Psi+ and Movim don't have consistent UX is as helpful as saying DeltaChat and Thunderbird don't have consistent UX.