Mastodawn

@projetslibres_podcast @Framasoft The claims made about GrapheneOS in this interview are extremely inaccurate. It heavily misrepresents the purpose of GrapheneOS and what we've worked on for years. The claim GrapheneOS is a security project rather than a privacy project is misinformation. Contacts are specifically brought up and yet our Contact Scopes feature is ignored. @fla knows GrapheneOS is a privacy project. He replied to a thread with our response to this misinformation only 4 days ago...

Truhe

@GrapheneOS And you really think that a thread on a niche microblogging platform helps promoting your product and vision? Don't you have a homepage to put your beef on which you could link instead of filling the timeline of your followers?

I'm interested in GrapheneOS, not whatever beef you have with others.

@GrapheneOS

It's hard enough for every alternative OS to find people to use it. It's even harder when those alternatives are fighting against each other. Also I don't care who started it and who's right. This is not a childrens sandbox and you are not five years old. Get your shit together, make a statement on your website, post that statement and move on.

@truhe We're providing accurate information about GrapheneOS and how it compares to another operating system. The reason we're doing that is because they've spent years misleading people about GrapheneOS and are continuing to do it. If they stop misleading people about GrapheneOS including in these kinds of interviews, then we won't need to post responses addressing it. GrapheneOS has been massively harmed by concerted efforts to mislead people about the purpose, features and approach we have.

@truhe /e/ and Murena have done a huge amount of harm to us by widely propagating their false claims about GrapheneOS privacy, usability and app compatibility. They've misled many people into believing it isn't a privacy project, isn't usable, isn't compatible with most apps and much more. GrapheneOS is a privacy project providing a much higher level of privacy than they do along with great usability and far broader app compatibility. We're addressing it because it has greatly harmed us.

@truhe The thread we posted is certainly about GrapheneOS. It provides very useful information about why we approach things in the way we do with features like Contact Scopes rather than DNS filtering. We post these threads to directly address content misleading people about GrapheneOS. A group attacking us is being provided with a platform to make inaccurate claims about GrapheneOS without it being challenged and without us having an opportunity to directly respond, so we're responding here.

@truhe GrapheneOS exists to protect the privacy of our users. That includes protecting people from sophisticated attacks on their privacy by corporations and states. GrapheneOS doesn't exist to simply provide an alternative to mainstream options. We aren't inherently on the side of other projects providing alternatives.

The anti-privacy talking points from Gaël Duval in the video at https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171 aren't an isolated incident but rather /e/ and Murena have been saying it for years.

@truhe /e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is only useful to criminals and spies. During the recent state-sponsored smearing of the GrapheneOS project in the French media, Gaël Duval assisted with pushing their false narrative that GrapheneOS is only useful to criminals. These groups aren't on the same side as us. Their primary goal is earning as much money as they can with privacy as a way to brand and market devices. They're undermining the privacy movement and aren't allies.

@GrapheneOS You now wrote five mentions to me explaining the beef you have and repeating the arguments, after I said, that using threads on a niche microblogging platform is not the best way, and neither is talking about everything the others do wrong (to you).

I followed your account to get news on Graphene OS and what I'm getting is some war between forum trolls. I get your point, I get why your doing it, but seeing this from an outside perspective where I'm just interested in getting news

@GrapheneOS about my next smartphone OS, this feels out of place and not helpful.

Alien software, human hardware 1d ago

@truhe is it posssible that you are confusing a rss feed of news from a website with a social media platform where people talk to each other? @GrapheneOS

@mavu No.

@truhe If we hadn't posted about it, you wouldn't be aware of /e/ and Murena holding the views they do on people wanting to protect themselves from privacy and security vulnerabilities. There are clearly benefits to us spreading the word about it. Many people have misled into believing GrapheneOS is not a privacy project by these groups and we're addressing it directly. We can also post more content about our privacy features, and we are mentioning those as part of these posts too.

chfkch

1d ago

@GrapheneOS
I think the point was not to post thr information, but rather where/how.
It was suggested to post the full explanation on the website/blog and link it with a short introduction on the fediverse.

A suggestion which i also agree with.
@truhe

@truhe @GrapheneOS

Maximizing users at all costs is not the goal. These OSs are not alternatives to GOS and do not compare in the slightest. Why is it you turn a blind eye to scams committing crimes against GOS, and thats not called fighting, but GOS defending themselves is?

"Also I don't care who started it and who's right."
I mean, do I even need to comment on this? Seems pretty clear how disgusting this is to say.

This is not a childrens sandbox, and you are in no position to talk down to them like some parental figure. This is real, and your apathy to their adversity is disappointing.

@HybridStaticAnimate A better comparison would be a marketing channel fighting with another marketing channel while people expected other content on that channel. The cause is valid, but are constant posts here the best way to react? It feels like watching two youtube channels fighting with each other. Where are the articles on the homepage correcting everything, which could stay online and be linked from here?

@truhe

Its not a better comparison, the official GrapheneOS accounts are not marketing and are not intended for marketing. Defending wont stop until the attacks stop. And yet I notice a distinct lack of criticism aimed at the agressors.

Mastodon has a tiny character limit so GOS has to break up the posts. Its easier to cram nonsense into one post than it is to properly refute it. The website isnt for this purpose.

@HybridStaticAnimate The "lack of criticism" aimed at the aggressors in my case results in not buying or using their products. I don't need every detail to come to this conclusion, just the information, that they say secure devices are only for pedos, criminals and spies. This is the talking of german right wing parties like CDU and AfD, which I won't tolerate.

@truhe @GrapheneOS

Why do you automatically assume the goal is promotion? GrapheneOS is not a business and doesnt provide a product. Youre trying to downplay serious issues with implicitly juvenile descriptors to make it seem frivolous, but its not. Last I checked, providing accurate information for others to educate themselves was a good thing.

@HybridStaticAnimate Last time I checked they announced a long term partnership with Motorola preloading Graphene OS starting 2027. So it's also about promotion. And I'm not against correcting false claims, but ALL I'm seeing here is a beef I'm absolutely not interested in and never is a microblogging platform a good way to correct those things in many threads over many days. They have a homepage, which they don't use. They don't even mention Motorola on their page.

@truhe

This is not accurate. They announced a partnership with Motorola but they did not announce devices with GrapheneOS preinstalled, whether or not they can do that still needs to be determined. And if they cant, thats fine, that was never a requirement of the partnership.

Money isnt exchanging hands. GrapheneOS does not currently profit from this. Youre falsely tying this to promotion. Its just an announcement on future plans.

And GrapheneOS doesnt yet support Motorola devices so there is little reason to put it on any page.

This isnt beef, and your interest in the situation is irrelevant. Countering misinformation at the source is an effective method and has been better than other methods for a very long time. People are going to blindly believe the first thing they read or hear if its not countered, and they arent going to go to an unrelated page that they have no idea exists.

@truhe @HybridStaticAnimate No, that's an outrageously false claim. We've been debunking misleading claims by Murena and /e/ on GrapheneOS for several years and they've been engaging in it far longer than that. Unlike Murena, GrapheneOS isn't a for-profit business with the goal of promoting products to make as much money as possible. A major part of our goals is informing people about privacy, security and GrapheneOS which we're doing with these threads addressing inaccurate info about it.