@courtcan

with the caveat that if, as an american, you do not vote, because you value punishing the democrats for being spineless (and they are), over preventing {gestures broadly}, you are a piece of shit

you want better than the milquetoast bullshit the democrats offer

i do too

but we are only going to get there by showing up, especially in the primaries, and iterating to better over time

"i want perfect now or i'm not participating!" is not a moral position

it's being an immature child

@Oldfartrant @courtcan

Indeed. Centrist Republicans are spineless. Centrist Democrats are spineless. Meanwhile MAGA is turbocharged and the American left is despondent and dissipated. Some of this is due to plutocracy: they pump money into MAGA and they control traditional media and social media. One response to this is cynical defeatism. But I say the left should take over the Democrats. Job #1 for that is shut down these pathetic voices on the left that are useless whiny entitled cynics

@stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

no

i want 3rd parties but to get 3rd parties we need ranked choice voting

rcv is creeping in, but until then we have to focus on taking over the democrats

in an FPTP voting system, we only have a choice between 2 parties

it's not corruption, it's just math

the left splintering into different parties is as fatal for us as leftists not voting

"you want us to support spineless democrats!"

no, i want us to show up in the fucking primaries and replace them

@baronvonj @suzannealdrich @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

thus, all 3rd party voices in the USA are working for Putin or MAGA. or are embarrassingly uneducated about how our stupid FPTP system works. deeply cringe because it's not hard to understand

i want 3rd parties

to get 3rd parties we need ranked choice voting

until we get rcv, which makes 3rd parties viable, anyone voting 3rd party now in the USA on the left is helping MAGA win by dividing the left vote

that's the cold hard truth

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

tell myself what?

reality?

reality is merely a whine you say?

i despise centrist democrats

i am articulating how leftists can take over the dems

it's the only feasible way forward

you meanwhile have... feelings

your brain is AWOL

when you vote 3rd party, in our stupid FPTP system, you divide the left vote and hand MAGA a win

you are a MAGA supporter

not in thought, but in action, you are

stop being immature and fucking think

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

ok, i'll check in on reality for you:

the democrats were bad on the environment at one point, so you're fine with ignoring the reality of an FPTP voting system and voting green and handing our country to fascists

because of your precious fee fees

you prioritize your feelings over the USA becoming fascist

you're a selfish, MAGA supporting piece of shit

you don't support MAGA in words, but you do in action

how'd i do?

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

Trump is in power partly because of nonvoters and 3rd party voters

I don't like that, but that's the cold hard reality of our stupid voting system

You won't accept reality, because you value your feelings and ignorance over what we must do to fight fascism. You're selfish, you're entitled, and you work hard for MAGA. You don't understand how, because you're ignorant. Or you don't care, because you're fine with fascism

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

when you write that pile of incoherent middle school kid vibing, do you feel that it protects you from the reality that your actions support trump and fascism?

what other aspects of reality do you think you successfully block out with middle school edgelord word salad?

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

why would i demand loyalty to corporatist democrats i despise?

i am a leftist. i want the left to win in the usa

we do that by taking over the democratic party

but we can't do that

why?

because of losers who don't vote

and losers who vote 3rd party

do you understand me now?

or do you want to continue immature vibing with lies and ignorance denying the reality of a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system:

you help MAGA win

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

you're not my ally

you're an ally of MAGA

please listen carefully:

in an FPTP voting system the existence of a 3rd party can only act as a spoiler. which means when you steal leftists away from the democrats, the democrats get less votes

thus, you ensure MAGA wins

do you understand?

it's not my feelings

it's hard cold math

the greens in ranked choice are wonderful

*i want that*

but now, in FPTP?

the greens are rat poison

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

please watch. the title is just edgy, it's democracy positive

it described FPTP

why ranked choice is better

it describes better systems

i go with ranked choice because it has a head of steam in the usa

i want you to vote your conscience free and clear

to say "fuck that" to dreary strategy and the sucky dems

but you can't as long as we are FPTP

PLEASE:

educate yourself

stop helping MAGA with 3rd party

https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk

@JYeo18 @stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

imagine where we would be in this country if american voters understood their fucking voting system

it sucks

but the ignorance, indolence, and outright malice from jill stein tankie fascists is killing us as bad as outright MAGA

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

"Democrats are against any change"

true, many dems

many not

rcv is creeping in here and there

but in 2024, the GOP made a blanket ban on it:

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

therefore, the way forward to rcv is only with the dems now

we get those that support rcv in the primaries

so you can vote green to your heart's content

but we won't get there if greens, who support MAGA, in FPTP, stop us

do you understand you stupid ass?

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

you support harris and AOC

so why are you like an antivaxxer who continues with an ignorant false belief in spite of extremely obvious real world fact

3rd party in FPTP divides the left and helps MAGA win

right?

you don't care?

so just sort of a preening smug arrogant asshole who is fine with fascism?

and is it bullying to accurately identify a debilitating malicious self-deception you suffer from that hurts all of us?

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

i completely understand what you represent. MAGA does fascism and then uncaring assholes "on the left" (they're not really, they're fake) don't vote or vote 3rd party, not knowing or not caring this helps fascism

because you're entitled

your precious self-regard and precious feelings are more important than trans people, immigrants, womens rights, climate change, health care, etc

emotional immaturity over reason and strategy

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

democrats fucking suck. you don't understand me at all

you vote dem because you don't want fascism

you don't understand or care 3rd party divides the left vote and helps MAGA win

ignorance and selfishness

your precious dear feelings are more important than all the damage trump is doing. so you're an entitled asshole

we replace centrists by voting in the primaries. we don't expect them to magically become left like a moron

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

with this post i can only wonder if you are an actual MAGA troll

i think that, based on your posts, that you're intelligent enough to understand that a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left to deliver MAGA wins

but what's notable is how you carefully ignore the point

is it because you realize it and you know that you're a selfish entitled asshole and don't want to admit it?

do you enjoy helping fascism?

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

when i argue with antivaxxers i notice they endlessly avoid a simple aspect of reality, and continue babbling on and on with weak posturing and assorted bullshit instead

USA 3rd party voters, like antivaxxers, damage their society

by promoting fascism/ spreading disease

my theory is this:

it is a point of ignorance that is important to their identity

they are unwilling to admit their fault

what do you think of my theory

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

i don't think you're antivaxx

i think that, like an antivaxxer, you deny a simple reality that is painful to your sense of identity: pride in being a green

so when someone tells you that in an FPTP voting system, a left 3rd party divides the left vote, helping right wing fascism win, it hurts your identity, so you deny the truth ignorantly

just as antivaxxers do

it's a debilitating flaw

and it makes you quite malicious

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

right

me: "a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win"

you: {insert weak posturing here}

long after this pathetic exchange is over, you're still going to have to face what i'm saying. because it's not about interpersonal nonsense, it's about reality. reality never goes away

or continue being entitled and ignorant because of your precious vanity. harming your society