Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan
I think the easiest way to explain it is, remember Ross Perot? That’s how the right wing lost to Bill Clinton, the independent difference was split. Then remember The Tea Party and MAGA? That’s how the right wing took over the GOP, they replaced all the individual candidates with their own in the primaries, and stuck with a 50 state, up and down the ticket strategy. Even school boards. Behind the scenes, billionaires funded and organized the whole thing.
Baron Von J@suzannealdrich
Perot is the perfect example of why 3rd parties are a.non-starter anywhere outside of county-level races without some form.of RCV. He won basically 19% of the national popular vote and not a single EC vote out of it all. Over 99% of state and federal legislative and executive seats are won by either the Democratic or Republican nominee and not one 3rd party was on the ballot in all 50 states in 2024.
@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan
Perot is the perfect example of why 3rd parties are a.non-starter anywhere outside of county-level races without some form.of RCV. He won basically 19% of the national popular vote and not a single EC vote out of it all. Over 99% of state and federal legislative and executive seats are won by either the Democratic or Republican nominee and not one 3rd party was on the ballot in all 50 states in 2024.
@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES@baronvonj @suzannealdrich @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan
thus, all 3rd party voices in the USA are working for Putin or MAGA. or are embarrassingly uneducated about how our stupid FPTP system works. deeply cringe because it's not hard to understand
i want 3rd parties
to get 3rd parties we need ranked choice voting
until we get rcv, which makes 3rd parties viable, anyone voting 3rd party now in the USA on the left is helping MAGA win by dividing the left vote
that's the cold hard truth
1337 $#!+ I did that@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan you can tell yourself that, it is a long time #democrat whine and we all hear you
@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
tell myself what?
reality?
reality is merely a whine you say?
i despise centrist democrats
i am articulating how leftists can take over the dems
it's the only feasible way forward
you meanwhile have... feelings
your brain is AWOL
when you vote 3rd party, in our stupid FPTP system, you divide the left vote and hand MAGA a win
you are a MAGA supporter
not in thought, but in action, you are
stop being immature and fucking think
@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan tell yourself some of us joined the #greens when #democrats were still a climate change denying party then check in on reality 🔥
@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
ok, i'll check in on reality for you:
the democrats were bad on the environment at one point, so you're fine with ignoring the reality of an FPTP voting system and voting green and handing our country to fascists
because of your precious fee fees
you prioritize your feelings over the USA becoming fascist
you're a selfish, MAGA supporting piece of shit
you don't support MAGA in words, but you do in action
how'd i do?
@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan well, do you know how #Trump treats our allies, as if Britain and Spain and France are his vassals. Remember how mad he was that his vassals would not do his bidding? That is you today, that is how you are doing. You are telling an ally that you are fine without them. But I'm the #maga? Tell me more, daddy! Should I go down on you now or make you a sammich?
@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
Trump is in power partly because of nonvoters and 3rd party voters
I don't like that, but that's the cold hard reality of our stupid voting system
You won't accept reality, because you value your feelings and ignorance over what we must do to fight fascism. You're selfish, you're entitled, and you work hard for MAGA. You don't understand how, because you're ignorant. Or you don't care, because you're fine with fascism
@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan ok captain, you are the reality police just like Donald Trump. So do you like mayo with that? Oh, should I ask another of your allies to get that for you boss?
@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
when you write that pile of incoherent middle school kid vibing, do you feel that it protects you from the reality that your actions support trump and fascism?
what other aspects of reality do you think you successfully block out with middle school edgelord word salad?
@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan I think it is very clear, you demand loyalty. Just like a #maga. Part of the failing of the #Democratic party is this $#!++!&9 on allies. But I will say it again, it is a very good day for us #greens. That a #democrat is bitching and demanding compliance tells us a lot about why so many in this country are so lukewarm about you. We are not here to serve you, we are here to join with you when it is in our interest. I think you get it now
@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
why would i demand loyalty to corporatist democrats i despise?
i am a leftist. i want the left to win in the usa
we do that by taking over the democratic party
but we can't do that
why?
because of losers who don't vote
and losers who vote 3rd party
do you understand me now?
or do you want to continue immature vibing with lies and ignorance denying the reality of a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system:
you help MAGA win
@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan and Spain won't help #maga because they are, Spain. I am not sure you are picking up what I am laying down here, but in case it wasn't clear, #greens are not your subsidiary. We are happy to be allies where we can, allyship is something we have actually thought through:-) So call me names if you like, you are obviously building something 😂
@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
you're not my ally
you're an ally of MAGA
please listen carefully:
in an FPTP voting system the existence of a 3rd party can only act as a spoiler. which means when you steal leftists away from the democrats, the democrats get less votes
thus, you ensure MAGA wins
do you understand?
it's not my feelings
it's hard cold math
the greens in ranked choice are wonderful
*i want that*
but now, in FPTP?
the greens are rat poison
@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
please watch. the title is just edgy, it's democracy positive
it described FPTP
why ranked choice is better
it describes better systems
i go with ranked choice because it has a head of steam in the usa
i want you to vote your conscience free and clear
to say "fuck that" to dreary strategy and the sucky dems
but you can't as long as we are FPTP
PLEASE:
educate yourself
stop helping MAGA with 3rd party
Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible
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Flip them all@benroyce @stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan 'Top Two' primaries are the worst - if 2 Rs evenly split 40%, while 6 others evenly split 60% you get 2 minority Rs going to the General. This came within a few votes of happening in WA in 2024 for Gov and another state-wide office. The Dems who squeaked thru won the general with comfortable margins.
@JYeo18 @stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
imagine where we would be in this country if american voters understood their fucking voting system
it sucks
but the ignorance, indolence, and outright malice from jill stein tankie fascists is killing us as bad as outright MAGA
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan this is exactly the arrogant dip$#!++3?/ that is killing #democrats. Get back to me when the #Dems lift a finger to change the Constitution to change it. I mean my poor man, you are trying to explain proportional representation to a #green, think a little! Of course Democrats are against any change that would allow third parties in. In California, you (incompetently) tried to keep us off the ballot! I never looked back. 1989!
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
"Democrats are against any change"
true, many dems
many not
rcv is creeping in here and there
but in 2024, the GOP made a blanket ban on it:
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans
therefore, the way forward to rcv is only with the dems now
we get those that support rcv in the primaries
so you can vote green to your heart's content
but we won't get there if greens, who support MAGA, in FPTP, stop us
do you understand you stupid ass?
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan so I have been crushing bullies since nntp, son, you are up against it. I am getting inspired to work for the green candidate that we will run against (probably) governor wine cave. I sent my $ and vote to Kamala last time, a pol I deeply respect and have voted for as atty general and senator. So if the party has common sense to run an AOC, I am with you. Otherwise I will be supporting the 💚, and thinking of you ❤️ of course!
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
you support harris and AOC
so why are you like an antivaxxer who continues with an ignorant false belief in spite of extremely obvious real world fact
3rd party in FPTP divides the left and helps MAGA win
right?
you don't care?
so just sort of a preening smug arrogant asshole who is fine with fascism?
and is it bullying to accurately identify a debilitating malicious self-deception you suffer from that hurts all of us?
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan You are not really up to this, I can explain why with great clarity. But I don't think you will be able to see it. It is why #Trump is so grumpy these days, bullies and solipsists are like that when the world does not conform to their gaslighting and demands. But here it is: I don't typically vote for your candidates because they are losers and I am a #green. I would have voted for Bernie, but YOUR party had other ideas. See it?
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
i completely understand what you represent. MAGA does fascism and then uncaring assholes "on the left" (they're not really, they're fake) don't vote or vote 3rd party, not knowing or not caring this helps fascism
because you're entitled
your precious self-regard and precious feelings are more important than trans people, immigrants, womens rights, climate change, health care, etc
emotional immaturity over reason and strategy
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan Oh dear, he wants to play. So we are seeing here a lot of the reasons that #democrats lose. It is a party that is going to give you lectures, tell you how you have to stand under their $#!+ umbrella and smile. Hard no! Nobody stands with the #Democrats to feel like a winner! In fact, as I said long ago in this thread, the #idiocracy implemented by the #uniparty is in some tragic ways working out promising for #greens. Be better!
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
democrats fucking suck. you don't understand me at all
you vote dem because you don't want fascism
you don't understand or care 3rd party divides the left vote and helps MAGA win
ignorance and selfishness
your precious dear feelings are more important than all the damage trump is doing. so you're an entitled asshole
we replace centrists by voting in the primaries. we don't expect them to magically become left like a moron
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan you telling me what I want again, daddy? ❤️ Let me try to help you with something. Look at younger voters. You worry about greens withholding our vote? (We will, btw if the Dems primary goes sideways again, I think that much is dawning on you...) Well, do a little polling and see if the youngers are coming out for a squish. They have nothing, so they know they can outlive Chuck Schumer and #trump. They are de facto, greens! #real
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
with this post i can only wonder if you are an actual MAGA troll
i think that, based on your posts, that you're intelligent enough to understand that a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left to deliver MAGA wins
but what's notable is how you carefully ignore the point
is it because you realize it and you know that you're a selfish entitled asshole and don't want to admit it?
do you enjoy helping fascism?
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan Still helping you clarify. I don't owe you any answer to any of your inane bullying. I'm just here to call out, lay waste, and like I said I've been dropping chuds since the days of network news. The only thing bullies get from me is a bloody nose, I've always been like this, and frankly I enjoy it. You know what they say about getting in a wrestling match with a pig, you both get muddy and the pig likes it. Here for you bub!
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
when i argue with antivaxxers i notice they endlessly avoid a simple aspect of reality, and continue babbling on and on with weak posturing and assorted bullshit instead
USA 3rd party voters, like antivaxxers, damage their society
by promoting fascism/ spreading disease
my theory is this:
it is a point of ignorance that is important to their identity
they are unwilling to admit their fault
what do you think of my theory
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan you have 100% imagined that I am antivaxx, again the strange solipsism. We are at a competence level here of having to explain what a protest vote is? Do you work Ben? Have gainful employment that involves some basic capacities in terms of language and comprehension? Because if this is really not fair, I am still going to raise flags about your BS up in here, but if you are intellectually disabled or something, I can teach you.
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
i don't think you're antivaxx
i think that, like an antivaxxer, you deny a simple reality that is painful to your sense of identity: pride in being a green
so when someone tells you that in an FPTP voting system, a left 3rd party divides the left vote, helping right wing fascism win, it hurts your identity, so you deny the truth ignorantly
just as antivaxxers do
it's a debilitating flaw
and it makes you quite malicious
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan Just to be sure, out of concern for your health, are you in any way responsible for the care of children? I don't know you personally but am recognizing some signs of concern here. Maybe others in the thread know you personally? I know you are not an #AI, AIs are in no way this disorganized in thought or so myopic. Let me know if you want to study up on what a protest vote is, that may help conceptually with your Stein trauma.
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
right
me: "a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win"
you: {insert weak posturing here}
long after this pathetic exchange is over, you're still going to have to face what i'm saying. because it's not about interpersonal nonsense, it's about reality. reality never goes away
or continue being entitled and ignorant because of your precious vanity. harming your society
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan yeah, I'm not learning anything that I need to face from you. I mean, there is bullying and then there is incoherence, again which is why we all know you are not an AI. All I can see is a human struggling with the fact that others are not the same as them, a kind of deep sociopathy. It is OK to seek help for this Ben.
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win
do you enjoy that?
or is the endless posturing bullshit in your vain effort to ignore obvious reality merely an aspect of your preening entitled arrogance and ignorance while you maliciously damage your society?
@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan ah but you missed it again, #greens are winning. Literally where my comment started. While #democrats are panicking about the oil shock, we live in a small house w/o the evils of air conditioning or clothes dryers. Our #bolt costs $10 to $12 to charge. While #dems rightfully $#!+ themselves about being blamed for #trump's disasterous adventure in #Iran capitulation, I'ma canning food:-) We can go table for #greens! And will.
@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan
" #greens are winning"
oh yeah?
so you divide the left vote, #MAGA votes as a bloc, and {magic hand waving} greens outnumber them and win elections?
you sure about that?
you're not a lying piece of shit working hard to elect MAGA?
Court Cantrell does not comply@benroyce @stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant Could one of y'all please remove me from this thread? Thanks.
Doug 🌈🇨🇦 
@courtcan @benroyce @stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich block or mute @[email protected] should do it.
@Oldfartrant @benroyce @stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich I don't want to have to block or mute anybody. I'm placing the onus on the conversationalists. 😉
@Oldfartrant (That said, I did mute the "conversation.")