If I see one more ‘is mastodon an echo chamber’ post, I’m gonna lose it! Yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s an echo chamber but I like this echo chamber.
“But you’re not being tolerant!” Fuck off, with your racist, sexist, ableist nonsense! I don’t want any form of it
@farah @adhdeanasl I have a small feed, so I have not seen comments like this…yet.
My feed is an echo chamber of people who care about the environment, are kind to each other and are interested in real connection. I will take that all daylong!
it's worth noting that people who are not racist, sexist, nor ableist seem to have a lot of other interests in common, share a similar sense of humor and taste in music & movies.
if that makes my ad-free, algorithm-free, self-curated crowd of internet friends an 'echo chamber,' so be it.
it doesn't escape me that my political toots are 'preaching to the choir,' though. maybe i should lay off that shit. fuck trump, anyway.
@farah Of all bad faith arguments, "You have to tolerate my hate" might just be the most annoying.
I don't have to TOLERATE anything, assholes. I don't tolerate the people you hate, I ACCEPT them.
@farah I’m also COMPLETELY fed up with all that nonsense about Mastodon being an echo chamber.
In fact, I welcome it. And if that means I’m not tolerant of fascists, well, so be it. I don’t even WANT to be tolerant of them. I want to slap them in the face.
@farah It's because in-fighting has become so normalized that if you're not constantly fighting with an opposition you're viewed as an "echo chamber" when in truth people may have different opinions but choose not to voice them in order to maintain community stability and to not upset people.
You know, the way people used to actually live their lives.
@Mrfunkedude @farah exactly! we don't have to agree or even believe everything posted here. But, reasonable people know when to mind their own damned business.
I'm reminded of the very very wise man who whenever he was asked a question he answered with "that ain't none of my business" or "that ain't none of your business".
except on the very rare occasion when it was.
I think a hatred echo chamber is bad because of the hatred, not the echoing. that is what corporate media is for.
I think a community echo chamber is good because of the community and the echoing. that is what fediverse is for.
it's pretty funny when outsiders from the first group stick their head in our open door to scream "QUIT HAVING FUN!!!" at people having fun.
@falcennial @farah Everywhere becomes an echo chamber over a long enough timeline as people self-select their way into or out of it, that's just what happens to any space.
I prefer a nicer echo chamber.
I think it’s even worse. “Quit having fun THAT WE CANT MONITIZE AND GATEKEEP”
@shane @falcennial @farah ObFilkRef Elfland by Leslie Fish*.
"And all you tell me,
Is you don’t care.
You can’t put a meter on,
Sunlight or air.
....
And when you’ve won all those,
Games that you’ve played,
You just might see there’s,
No one left to pay.
We’ll have the whole world,
That you threw away,
And we won’t know you at all.
We won’t know you at all."
*Yeah, Leslie's politics and stated positions ranged from problematic to unacceptable. But d*mn she could write... I'm picky about which of her songs I'll listen to, let alone reference. But I'm not giving up the good ones.
Indeed… “you’re not being tolerant!” is the cry of privileged supremacists who think the world owes them an audience for their nonsense.
@farah I think fundamentally any social media is an echo chamber as you can only give your attention to a limited number of things. The difference with Mastodon is you get a bit more control over the boundaries.
So rather than Nazis and adverts for vacuum cleaners, we get furries, trans and people knitting hats using the wiring from a decommissioned telephone exchanges*
* Your chamber may be different
@farah let’s be real and argument about an echo chamber really is fundamentally flawed. Even in the environments these grifters die for with algorithms people will mostly see content that interests them. IE stuff they agree with.
What most Mastodon servers do in regards to moderation is a god send. And I whole heartedly support it!
I’ve said it other places and I’ll say it again here. Mastodon is about communities not profit.
In other words @farah is right dammit !!
@farah an echo chamber is only a problem when it seriously disconnects a person from what the outside world is like.
People who live their entire lives on social media naturally think that social media echo chambers are a problem - and they would be, for them.
In the same way that having a friend who agrees with you on most stuff isn't a problem, a social media echo space isn't a problem for healthy people who don't experience the world primarily through social media.
@farah There's all kinds of stuff on Mastodon. Lots of disagreement on politics and AI, two of the issues cited. I don't follow stuff I don't want to see, which pretty much means I don't see it. Occasionally I block when necessary. This isn't "echo chamber", it's quality of life.
I think most of the "echo chamber" posts come from people with flimsy ideas who are upset nobody's interested in what they're peddling.
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