@tilton I get the sentiment, agree totally.
But, if someone slapped a circular saw out of your hands, I think they're going to say something like "Arghhhghgggg my fingers!" instead.

@thomasjwebb @tilton I am so so so tired of this, and it feels like it will never end, but also ...
I half live in SQL world, and it shows that there is a better way. For the most part, databases all speak one computer language SQL. Yeah, different SQL DBMS vendors have different products with different features, but for the most part you learn SQL once AND YOU ARE DONE.
No endless cycle of the next hot computer language, FOMO, lava layers, blech.
Just SQL.
@karabaic A comment on Reddit. Full context here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Common_Lisp/comments/1screye/comment/oedprrx/
@slotos maybe
i don't remember a time when it was so explicit that actually building software didn't matter
a lot if management types are now actively arguing that the way to "achieve AI success" involves letting go of preconceptions about silly little things like shipping products, and at that point idk how to even argue with it because clearly none of the things i thought mattered were ever even goals
Almost universally:
- job adverts I had to sift through focused on tools and buzzwords, not the real goals
- interviewers couldn’t answer “what will make you consider this hire a success in half a year”, even when they were business owners
- coders focus on the next cool tool, not the thing that needs to be done
- words “verifying the outcome” make “engineers” scoff
I see clear evolution here.
Naaaaiiilguuuun!
@tilton waiting until we can talk about why trying to metaphorically cut lumber with a nail gun is the dumbest fucking thing ever.
Its the whole "when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail" except because it's a nail gun the misuses and mistakes happen at 10x the speed just like they are now
@tilton
Totally. And it's not just talk, you're required to use it. That you're required to use the nail gun, regardless what it is you actually do. Even if you can't find anything else to nail than your own foot. They update your job description to state that.
And it's not just programming, it's everywhere.
@tilton
100% agree.
And then there is also the boss implementing KPIs that the one that uses more nailgun gets a payrise. Even though you're the one that needs to pull out all of these extra nails in order to put them in where they should have been placed in the first place...
@tilton Yeah. I feel the same. Yesterday, I described this as DDOS on my brain.
Few people talk about actual work anymore (Maybe because many are not doing any actual work? It definitely feels like many boosters become "using nailgun to build more nailguns". It's kind of like how crypto bros changed their whole identity to revolve around crypto, but this is incredibly common now)
My work announced a competition, for people proposing new ideas of how to use the tool.
Less than 24 hours later we had a not-subtle country-wide meeting, about how people who work for the company need to "get on board" with the mission of the company.
Everyone is tired of this bullshit.
Reminded me of when NY institution Mama Leone's opened in Boston.
The entrees were made and frozen in NY, then microwaved in Boston. It didn't take too many lasagnas served cold in the middle to end that little innovation.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1972/12/2/mama-leones-pbmbama-leones-restaurant-opened/
@tilton On the one hand, I'd say it's fine (and understandable) to get excited about having a new tool to make one's job easier. On the other hand, tools are usually designed for one specific function. And the cost of those tools is usually prohibitive, unless one happens to have a job where one performs that function often enough to justify acquiring the tool.
New tools are almost never a panacea, and therefore should not be treated as such. Be wary of anyone who makes up reasons to use a new tool beyond what it was intended for. As the old saying goes, "if all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail."
@tilton Sometimes I wonder if I'm just old. Because I don't feel the sentiment as hard. Not because it's untrue, but because I remember the era of "You can buy PET FOOD! On your COMPUTER!"
This, too, will pass.
@tilton "This nail gun works so well! The best thing ever"
It chugs through lubrication oil 20 times faster than the old one. It also randomly fires it's nails without the trigger being pressed, it's got a massive air leak and it killed Frankie on Friday. It also set fire to the house and told me to build another when I said it made a mistake.I love this vibe run thing, it'll truly revolutionize the trades."
@tilton I feel like this has been going on for a very long time now. OOP, <something driven design>, some web thing, CORBA, etc. Some are useful, some are forgotten, but the levels of evangelism makes religions green with envy.
Same with the dot com bubble. I think it never burst. I just changes names and keeps inflating. Occasionally making a lot of people poorer.
The difference is that it has intensified beyond comprehension fueled by the idiot rich and MBAs.
Absolutely agree, the focus should be on what is solved, not the tech. The tech is a hobby. Not work. It’s a means to an end.
And new tools need time to cook and be figured out. Not slammed into people’s faces. Especially if it’s crazy ones.
Imho.